[speedyman]

Originally Posted by sand99

Interesting, I've wanted a P-car for so long but a buddy of mine and my service manager keep talking me out of the brand due to their own horror stories and the maintenance costs.

That's what I love about BMW, you get a vehicle that drives really well, can load it up with nice tech, and most of the options are reasonably priced (unlike Porsche). Seems like we're finding new things that are cut from the '21 model year every other week on this forum which concerns me a little and is irritating, but I'm ready for something new, so I don't want to wait and see what they change for '22.

I have been considering a 992 and saw one I really liked recently, base 911, Carrera White, dark wheels, very nice but just waaay to much, options blow the sticker into the clouds. Looking to see what the new M4 has to offer. Agree with you about BMW, the C8 is also a great package.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

Fast forward to 2022: Imagine if all the top options do come back for 2022 like nigh vision, ambient air, Rear Entertainment, etc... These are huge options in the top end of the luxury market. Residual values of 2020 and 2022 will be notably higher and more desirable. 2021 models will take a big hit. BMW isnt even discounting the reduced 2021 models without basic features like soft close doors, music hard drive, etc.... Its a strait up, screw you to your face from BMW and they want you to think its not happening.

Hopefully they all come back since that is when I'm buying my next one.

They did lower the price of the Executive Package for MY21 so there was some discounting but of course people would rather have the features.

[SmartSaves]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Hopefully they all come back since that is when I'm buying my next one.

They did lower the price of the Executive Package for MY21 so there was some discounting but of course people would rather have the features.

In Canada the price for Excellence package didn't change (almost equivalent to Executive package), base price went up.

So far these are the changes in Canada (States got hit hard with removal of additional changes, a few items listed below):
• Alcantara mismatch
• Tow hitch pre-wiring removed
• Tow-hitch cannot be ordered with DHP package (40i)
• Glass crystal on volume knob was removed
• Hard drive was removed, can't store music anymore
• ASS button was removed with the introduction of 48v system

States:

• Heated and cooled cup holders

• Soft close doors

• Rear seat entertainment

• B&O gone from 40i

• Night vision etc...

Things we usually get free of charge are wrinkles, stop sales, battery-gate, recalls, and marketing BS.

[keeva381]

Originally Posted by mitch57

I agree. These big companies think they can just walk all over the consumer because most buyers don't know how BMW is screwing them over. It's only those people who are very familiar with BMW that know and see what they're doing.
I wonder if there is any recourse for the consumer to file a law suit or perhaps get them on some sort of Fair trade/False Advertising violation. These big companies could give a "Rats Ass" about the consumer.

What if MY22s are worse off?

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by keeva381

What if MY22s are worse off?

Don't say that, I have been trying to get that thought out of my head for months.

My guess is I would still get one since I'm not thrilled with what is offered by the competitors. Rather than purchasing a fully loaded M50i that I plan on though I may just lease a 40i especially since I will be buying an M340i in the near future.

[MystroX5]

Originally Posted by keeva381

What if MY22s are worse off?

Then BMW essentially gives up to MB. Remember BMW offers most of the options to the rest of the world for 2021. The USA is getting the shaft.

[BobsM3Coupe]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

Then BMW essentially gives up to MB. Remember BMW offers most of the options to the rest of the world for 2021. The USA is getting the shaft.

M-B isn't much better. They insist on putting a steering column shift handle on many of their vehicles, including the S Class. Reminds me of some old Town Car or old Buick. That's just plain cheap. And don't fall for the excuse that its to save some of the center console real estate.

[Auricom]

Originally Posted by keeva381

What if MY22s are worse off?

Haha, good thing my lease will be up for MY23... hopefully around LCI time

[speedyman]

Originally Posted by BobsM3Coupe

M-B isn't much better. They insist on putting a steering column shift handle on many of their vehicles, including the S Class. Reminds me of some old Town Car or old Buick. That's just plain cheap. And don't fall for the excuse that its to save some of the center console real estate.

I agree. $130,000 S Class MB with column shift is inexcusable, actually laughable. MB is a brand I would never consider buying for a multitude of reasons.

[philooo]

they know that unless you are a forum geek, 99% of customer will never notice the difference. But hopefully they will realize tht the 1% BMW forum readers are also influencers and they will spread these 'issues' like wild fire and this will stick to BMW reputation for years if they dont take care of it.!

[MystroX5]

Originally Posted by BobsM3Coupe

M-B isn't much better. They insist on putting a steering column shift handle on many of their vehicles, including the S Class. Reminds me of some old Town Car or old Buick. That's just plain cheap. And don't fall for the excuse that its to save some of the center console real estate.

Agreed. I took a long look at the new S-Class and it’s a train wreck of issues I detest.

[LOW4LYF]

Originally Posted by speedyman

I agree. $130,000 S Class MB with column shift is inexcusable, actually laughable. MB is a brand I would never consider buying for a multitude of reasons.

What's wrong with that???

The S Class is benchmark for all other German premium OEM. Best premium sedan on the market currently.

[Alf89]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

Remember BMW offers most of the options to the rest of the world for 2021. The USA is getting the shaft.

Yes! I don't understand this. The car is built here after all. What is it that other markets have many more options but some genius at BMW NA thought it's better to limit our choices here. I'd love to have an X Line with shadowline trim and red calipers like the Germans can opt for, but I can't for some inexplicable reason.

[TomCat6065]

Originally Posted by LOW4LYF

What's wrong with that???

The S Class is benchmark for all other German premium OEM. Best premium sedan on the market currently.

Without doubt. ( I do love both brands, though)

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by Alf89

Yes! I don't understand this. The car is built here after all. What is it that other markets have many more options but some genius at BMW NA thought it's better to limit our choices here. I'd love to have an X Line with shadowline trim and red calipers like the Germans can opt for, but I can't for some inexplicable reason.

That is why the most likely reason for the lack of options in the US is the limited supply chain due to COVID. The take rate for those options seems to be much higher in the US so all of the demand for the model year would not have been able to be fulfilled. Rather than constantly changing what options were currently available they decided to just not offer them the entire MY (still hoping for an April change).

I can understand them wanting to set customer expectations and meeting them rather than varying options throughout the year and not being able to for all submitted builds.

[speedyman]

Originally Posted by LOW4LYF

What's wrong with that???

The S Class is benchmark for all other German premium OEM. Best premium sedan on the market currently.

"Benchmark" of what qualifies as an old mans car, YUK. They are hideous boats by todays standards. You might well just buy one of the Korean tin can knock-offs it its going to look like that.

[MystroX5]

Originally Posted by speedyman

"Benchmark" of what qualifies as an old mans car, YUK. They are hideous boats by todays standards. You might well just buy one of the Korean tin can knock-offs it its going to look like that.

I have to agree as the there is a huge difference between reality and the what the MB marketing and press likes to report. MB marketing has worked feverishly the last few years in maintaining the S classes image. Slumping sales of the previous S class has put a lot of pressure on the latest generation. So far the reviews are extremely mixed and polarizing. Design is taking a lot of heat with the center “iPad like” jetting up as well as the soft exterior design. Pro evaluations of the design have stated “Asian like interpretations of a S-Class....” and “confusing design language mixed with tech” are not a superlative for a flagship vehicle that is supposed to identify the brand.

[thereef510]

Originally Posted by keeva381

What if MY22s are worse off?

y'all need to calm down. the vaccine is right around the corner. everything will go back to normal in a year or so. heated cupholders and soft close doors for all!

[thereef510]

Originally Posted by Alf89

Yes! I don't understand this. The car is built here after all. What is it that other markets have many more options but some genius at BMW NA thought it's better to limit our choices here. I'd love to have an X Line with shadowline trim and red calipers like the Germans can opt for, but I can't for some inexplicable reason.

the only reason we can come up with is volume. my local dealer told me that suv sales eclipse any other bmw they sell by a lot. I imagine its like that pretty much every where across the us. They are 'shafting' the us because they don't have enough parts to go around. Any other explanation just doesn't make sense.

[LOW4LYF]

Originally Posted by speedyman

"Benchmark" of what qualifies as an old mans car, YUK. They are hideous boats by todays standards. You might well just buy one of the Korean tin can knock-offs it its going to look like that.

Oh boy... Just see what customer BMW is asking for currently. Watch all the new M commerical. Daimler all day long! Unfortunately the BMW leases on 100k cars are super attractive, that's how you get all the kids to lease one.

[BobsM3Coupe]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

Agreed. I took a long look at the new S-Class and it’s a train wreck of issues I detest.

At least the Mark VIII has a console mounted shifter.

[speedyman]

S-Class MB are a dime a dozen here in the Naples FL area. Some of their owners get the wedgy of death if they hear any criticism about these ugly cars. These things are like a badge of honor along with a symbol of self validation among the 70 and up retired well off crowd.
S-Class is the ultimate old mans car. The most unattractive $130,000 car you'll find with equally hideous depreciation and out of warranty service costs.
There is little wonder that their sales are slumping. I've heard that the SLs are not long for this world which is no surprise.