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      06-01-2020, 12:17 AM   #1
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Assume my foreign friend (pretty reliable) can code back the anti-dazzle of laser headlights in US. How many of you will be willing to pay for a price? Of course, I will be the first one to trail with him and give testimony. And how much are you will to pay for remote-coding?

I know some argue that the part is not even the same as the rest of the world, which is why I am trying it first. Let's just assume.

If success is guaranteed, is $300-500 an acceptable range?
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Hey all,

Assume my foreign friend (pretty reliable) can code back the anti-dazzle of laser headlights in US. How many of you will be willing to pay for a price? Of course, I will be the first one to trail with him and give testimony. And how much are you will to pay for remote-coding?

I know some argue that the part is not even the same as the rest of the world, which is why I am trying it first. Let's just assume.

If success is guaranteed, is $300-500 an acceptable range?
Far too much for what it offers in my opinion. Would your friend decide for free for life?
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Hey all,

Assume my foreign friend (pretty reliable) can code back the anti-dazzle of laser headlights in US. How many of you will be willing to pay for a price? Of course, I will be the first one to trail with him and give testimony. And how much are you will to pay for remote-coding?

I know some argue that the part is not even the same as the rest of the world, which is why I am trying it first. Let's just assume.

If success is guaranteed, is $300-500 an acceptable range?
Isn't coding Anti-Dazzle HBA simply a matter of ensuring 5AC and 5AZ are in the FA, remove 5AP, and then VO Code the following ECU(s):

BDC_BODY3 (1DF8) for 5AP, 5AZ and 5AC
KAFAS4 (40F9) for 5AC
FLM2 (43AF) for 5AZ
DKOMBI (4508) for 5AC
BDC_BODY3 (7083) for 5AZ and 5AC

If the car has 5AC and 5AZ already, then removal of 5AP from FA, and VO Code of 1DF8 should be all that is required.

I can understand a labour charge for 1 hour or so, but $300-$500 seems steep to me.

VO Coding only requires esys software and a cable, so total $20 DIY, with the option to add some other features DIY.

Last edited by ifr; 06-01-2020 at 08:23 AM.. Reason: Updated to include 5AP and corresponding ECU
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      06-01-2020, 07:40 AM   #4
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Kind of confused by the discussion. If a US car already has 5AC and 5AZ, then "code back anti-dazzle" is removal of 5AP decode from FA and VO coding.

But @ifr (and OP, I suppose), did you just go down the discussion line of adding High Beam Assist (aka HBA, option code 5AC) and laserlight (option code 5AZ) to cars without those options from factory?

Basically, I am confused whether the OP is offering the former or the latter?

Hard to comment on whether $300-$500 is reasonable without that understanding — if former, ridiculously unreasonable; if latter, well, TBD and might be very reasonable (not to mention, magical) indeed.
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      06-01-2020, 07:58 AM   #5
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I forgot the 5AP for non-ECE. Have updated.

The coding options I've outlined (correctly now), would allow a retro-fit of the hardware, and decode anti-dazzle.

I've included the FDL coding as there has been numerous reports that the US decoded anti-dazzle does not work as well as the ECE versions - I guess it could be useful to understand the differences by comparing the settings for 5AC and 5AZ with a non-ECE version to see if there are any performance improvements to be had via coding, or if it's a h/w limitation.

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Assuming OP (or OP's friend) is offering just 5AP removal, then in isolation, $300-$500 USD is definitely unreasonable. But, we are talking remote coding and having cursorily looked at that as an amateur, the time (and possibly hardware) setup to do ANY remote coding is probably pretty extensive. So I would adjust my comment to a) for just 5AP removal, $300-$500 USD is totally unreasonable, but b) for remote coding setup that would support other coding, not just 5AP removal ie anti-dazzle enable, $300-$500 might not be unreasonable at all. In other words, cost overhead of remote coding setup might well be dominant here, rather than the coding itself.
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I forgot the 5AP for non-ECE. Have updated.

The coding options I've outlined (correctly now), would allow a retro-fit of the hardware, and decode anti-dazzle.

I've included the FDL coding as there has been numerous reports that the US decoded anti-dazzle does not work as well as the ECE versions - I guess it could be useful to understand the differences by comparing the settings for 5AC and 5AZ with a non-ECE version to see if there are any performance improvements to be had via coding, or if it's a h/w limitation.
Nice takeover of the OP's business question thread :-). I'll do some comparing :-).
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Assuming OP (or OP's friend) is offering just 5AP removal, then in isolation, $300-$500 USD is definitely unreasonable. But, we are talking remote coding and having cursorily looked at that as an amateur, the time (and possibly hardware) setup to do ANY remote coding is probably pretty extensive. So I would adjust my comment to a) for just 5AP removal, $300-$500 USD is totally unreasonable, but b) for remote coding setup that would support other coding, not just 5AP removal ie anti-dazzle enable, $300-$500 might not be unreasonable at all. In other words, cost overhead of remote coding setup might well be dominant here, rather than the coding itself.
It's tricky to quantify as remote coding could take hours if they encounter problems, either due a coding technical issue, or the owners own connection environment.

What I have issue with is a charge for specific coding implying intellectual property of a specific feature. I provided the 5AP removal suggestion to forum members privately 12 months ago. Same for all the other codes I and others have put out in the public domain. We do the work then release them for free so all can enjoy.

Bimmercode adopt and use many of my codes like ADV, but they provide a service, inc R&D, which is what they are charging for.

I've seen videos and forum posts from many coders passing my codes off as their own. Don't have an issue with that as they don't appear to benefitting financially from sharing the code, and they are ultimately spreading the word.

There are many reputable remote coders already offering service on here that will code multiple features in the same session, including Anti-Dazzle.

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If anyone wants the full list of FDL coding settings for an ECE car with no 5AP, but includes 5AC and 5AZ, you can find them here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_N7...ew?usp=sharing

If there are differences in laser light hardware then some of the 5AZ codes may not work as expected, so tread carefully.

Personally I would VO Code first and check the differences with the FDL coding in the spreadsheet. In theory most codes will be set as per the spreadsheet, however there may be some codes that are region specific and therefore different to what I have set. In this case applying the code in the spreadsheet could improve performance.

Hardware differences are another matter.
Can you please grant me access to this sheet. I think there is more needed than just removal of 5AP to get this to work in the US.

Thanks
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Hey all,

Assume my foreign friend (pretty reliable) can code back the anti-dazzle of laser headlights in US. How many of you will be willing to pay for a price? Of course, I will be the first one to trail with him and give testimony. And how much are you will to pay for remote-coding?

I know some argue that the part is not even the same as the rest of the world, which is why I am trying it first. Let's just assume.

If success is guaranteed, is $300-500 an acceptable range?
I realize this is a late response.

There are people who will do remote coding including anti-dazzle for $100.
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      07-10-2020, 02:03 AM   #11
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Can you please grant me access to this sheet. I think there is more needed than just removal of 5AP to get this to work in the US.

Thanks
I have a 2020 G05 in the US. I verified I had 5AP, 5AZ and 5AC in my FA.
All I had to do is remove 5AP and VO code BDC_BODY3. If you don't have 5AZ, 5AC you will have to do more as below:

BDC_BODY3 (1DF8) for 5AP,5AZ and 5AC
KAFAS4 (40F9) for 5AC
FLM2 (43AF) for 5AZ
DKOMBI (4508) for 5AC
BDC_BODY3 (7083) for 5AZ and 5AC
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BTW it works very, very well for me. My bright indicator almost never shuts off... and I can watch my lights dance all around making holes for the cars coming at me, driving in front of me etc. etc.
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Is this available in Bimmercode yet?
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FDL codes for anti-dazzle here.

No support from me. Try at your own risk: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vcn...ew?usp=sharing
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FDL codes for anti-dazzle here.

No support from me. Try at your own risk: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vcn...ew?usp=sharing
Ifr do you still have the FDL coding for anti dazzle lights ? i m strugling by remove 5ap and code but with kafas4 i can t ' so i want give it a try fdl coding , thanks
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FDL codes for anti-dazzle here.

No support from me. Try at your own risk: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vcn...ew?usp=sharing
Ifr do you still have the FDL coding for anti dazzle lights ? i m strugling by remove 5ap and code but with kafas4 i can t ' so i want give it a try fdl coding , thanks
https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=26689229

However, if you can't code KAFAS with esys 'code', then 'code ncd' is unlikely to work either
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I have a 2020 G05 in the US. I verified I had 5AP, 5AZ and 5AC in my FA.
All I had to do is remove 5AP and VO code BDC_BODY3. If you don't have 5AZ, 5AC you will have to do more as below:

BDC_BODY3 (1DF8) for 5AP,5AZ and 5AC
KAFAS4 (40F9) for 5AC
FLM2 (43AF) for 5AZ
DKOMBI (4508) for 5AC
BDC_BODY3 (7083) for 5AZ and 5AC
I wonder if this would work on 2021 X5 in USA. Seems to simple and that is screw something up.

What does VO code mean?
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I have a 2020 G05 in the US. I verified I had 5AP, 5AZ and 5AC in my FA.
All I had to do is remove 5AP and VO code BDC_BODY3. If you don't have 5AZ, 5AC you will have to do more as below:

BDC_BODY3 (1DF8) for 5AP,5AZ and 5AC
KAFAS4 (40F9) for 5AC
FLM2 (43AF) for 5AZ
DKOMBI (4508) for 5AC
BDC_BODY3 (7083) for 5AZ and 5AC
I wonder if this would work on 2021 X5 in USA. Seems to simple and that is screw something up.

What does VO code mean?
First, do a lot more reading and research here and elsewhere as that's a rather rudimentary baseline question.

Second, VO coding is the type of coding where you change FA and then Code (not Code NCD) each affected ECU. This is vs FDL coding, where you don't change FA and Code NCD ECUs where you've modified FDL parameters. If this doesn't mean much to you, see first point.

Third, it seems that on more recent I-STEPs and/or in more recent cars, just removing 5AP and VO coding as indicated is not enough to remove anti-dazzle decode on US-style Gx. But it is possible: see threads by Trojanlaw on this topic.
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First, do a lot more reading and research here and elsewhere as that's a rather rudimentary baseline question.

Second, VO coding is the type of coding where you change FA and then Code (not Code NCD) each affected ECU. This is vs FDL coding, where you don't change FA and Code NCD ECUs where you've modified FDL parameters. If this doesn't mean much to you, see first point.

Third, it seems that on more recent I-STEPs and/or in more recent cars, just removing 5AP and VO coding as indicated is not enough to remove anti-dazzle decode on US-style Gx. But it is possible: see threads by Trojanlaw on this topic.
Oh I certainly would make sure I’m well versed before I started making coding changes on my car, that aren’t simple like ones through BimmerCode. I’ll read up on this stuff. First time dealing with coding, so while yes it is rudimentary for you, it is simply new for me. Thanks for the info.
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First, do a lot more reading and research here and elsewhere as that's a rather rudimentary baseline question.

Second, VO coding is the type of coding where you change FA and then Code (not Code NCD) each affected ECU. This is vs FDL coding, where you don't change FA and Code NCD ECUs where you've modified FDL parameters. If this doesn't mean much to you, see first point.

Third, it seems that on more recent I-STEPs and/or in more recent cars, just removing 5AP and VO coding as indicated is not enough to remove anti-dazzle decode on US-style Gx. But it is possible: see threads by Trojanlaw on this topic.
Oh I certainly would make sure I'm well versed before I started making coding changes on my car, that aren't simple like ones through BimmerCode. I'll read up on this stuff. First time dealing with coding, so while yes it is rudimentary for you, it is simply new for me. Thanks for the info.
I didn't imply insult by the term "rudimentary" — we all start somewhere. I implied the "required baseline understanding" meaning of that term.
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As I understand it, Bimmercode cannot remove a software module, but can FDL code individual items. So, it is not possible for it (today) to enable the anti-dazzle logic in our BMW vehicles. The author indicated that he did not think it would ever support that functionality unless the BMW software architecture changes (not likely).
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'Removing a software module' is the equivalent of VO Coding, which is a persistent short-cut to coding certain supported items.

The same effect can be achieved by fdl coding so BC could support if they chose to.

The issue is the simply dont support the ECU that need to be coded. This could be for safety, and/or to keep development simpler.
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