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I don't need to have driven to know what is fundamentally wrong. Crashing your opponent off the track to win is fundamentally wrong. Your analogy if so flawed that it beggars belief. Do I need to fly an F22 to know that if I don't set the height above sea level properly in the nav computer I may fly into the ground under IFR? No. Anyone with 70 hrs who has passed their IFR test knows this.

I will ask you again...did Jim Clark crash his opponents off the road to win?

Crashing your opponent off the track is wrong in any form of racing. Period. If you don't see that it says volumes.
''If you no longer go for a gap then you are no longer a racing driver'' Real world, real drivers not cocooned in cotton wool like HAM with superior car. Senna had to fight all corners including Balestre for recognition which makes him ideal candidate for the greatest driver not like HAM who has had virtually a red carpet laid out for him at every juncture.
Comparing with piloting an F22?...stroll on.

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I would have to agree that Senna is the GOAT not just because of fondness and I'm not Brazilian but I saw what he did in the rain several times where the skill and fearlessness took hold. I saw him win Monaco in 92 with a terrible car when the technical wizardry of the Williams Renault car had to be turned off and he held on after the flat. Michael was amazing too as were many drivers but I think the rain set Senna apart to be the GOAT. It reminds me of a top 100 bands of all time documentary. It came down to the Beatles and the Stones. The Beatles had more hits but the Stones were still playing 30 years later and still selling out stadiums. Finally it came down to the Stones first big hit was written by Lennon and McCartney. So close, both worthy of it but I agree Senna had something extra. But I wouldn't fistfight anyone over it.. So many great drivers out there who are deserving too.
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OP has Max Verstappen's dildo so far up his bunghole that he created a thread to quote only choice excerpts from a Berger interview, in a sad attempt to diminish the achievements of one of the most statistically successful drivers of the sport.

Since OP likes to accept Gerhard Berger's opinion as gospel, he must also agree with what Berger has said about Lewis Hamilton:

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Also, "you are" is spelled "you're"
I haven't mentioned MV once on this thread and yet you bring him up and yes it is what Berger has said and it's normal to go from widgets on what is important.
That said it's clear you have a problem with your own hole.
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At a Goodyear tyre launch, I did once have the chance to be driven round Donnington by Senna...but the queue was too long so I went with Martin Brundle. A decision I have come to sorely regret.[/QUOTE]

*I would have waited all day for that opportunity if it presented itself to me.
I did see Senna, being a nipper then with my dad at Brands in '86 in the black Lotus and later on at a quali session there in '90,must have been '90 as Prost had no.1 on his Ferrari then.
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*I would have waited all day for that opportunity if it presented itself to me.
I did see Senna, being a nipper then with my dad at Brands in '86 in the black Lotus and later on at a quali session there in '90,must have been '90 as Prost had no.1 on his Ferrari then.
Unfortunately I didn't really have the time to queue.
Every F1 driver was there, so it was a bit chaotic with a lot of the guests trying to go out with as many drivers as possible.
I just picked the shortest queue...Brundle...who was pretty scary, never seemed to use the brakes - just chucked the car sideways to scrub speed off for turns - or even look where we were going, just chatted about F1.
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And I'll raise ya (in regards to this particular, unfortunate race):
  • He did not sustain any broken bones in the crash
  • Had the suspension gone 6" to the left or right, he would've been just fine
  • He had an Austrian flag in his pocket to honor Roland Ratzenberger should he podium

My absolute idol. Holding back tears as I write this.
Honestly, any time anything Senna related comes up, I tear up...

Made our humble people PROUD!
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- Leo.
He suffered 2 fatal injuries.

Basal skull fracture from the collision with the wall/tire impact to his head. Suspension A-arm pierced his helmet.

As determined by the Italian legal system, the cause was a broken steering column. Patrick Head and Adrian Newey (yes, that Adrian Newey) were tried for manslaughter. Newey was acquitted, but later under appeal, Head was found to be guilty of negligent homicide/manslaughter, but no penalty was given, as the statue of limitations had expired by the time the trial was completed.

The car was returned to Williams in 2002 and destroyed, Senna's helmet was sent to Bell, who studied it and then destroyed it. Engine was returned to Renault and the status is unknown.
To destroy such history 😔😢😔
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''If you no longer go for a gap then you are no longer a racing driver'' Real world, real drivers not cocooned in cotton wool like HAM with superior car. Senna had to fight all corners including Balestre for recognition which makes him ideal candidate for the greatest driver not like HAM who has had virtually a red carpet laid out for him at every juncture.
Comparing with piloting an F22?...stroll on.
You're hilarious. There is a difference between going for a gap and a deliberate crash. Why don't you read about the things Anthony Hamilton and Lewis endured before going off on another incorrect tangent. Do you know that SEN was from a wealthy family? You literally have everything upside down. It's shocking.
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He suffered 2 fatal injuries.

Basal skull fracture from the collision with the wall/tire impact to his head. Suspension A-arm pierced his helmet.

As determined by the Italian legal system, the cause was a broken steering column. Patrick Head and Adrian Newey (yes, that Adrian Newey) were tried for manslaughter. Newey was acquitted, but later under appeal, Head was found to be guilty of negligent homicide/manslaughter, but no penalty was given, as the statue of limitations had expired by the time the trial was completed.

The car was returned to Williams in 2002 and destroyed, Senna's helmet was sent to Bell, who studied it and then destroyed it. Engine was returned to Renault and the status is unknown.
I'm shocked that Williams destroyed the car, they could have sent it to Sao Paolo but then that's what Ferrari did to all of their shark nose 156 cars later after the '61 horror crash with von Trips and Clark.
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You're hilarious. There is a difference between going for a gap and a deliberate crash. Why don't you read about the things Anthony Hamilton and Lewis endured before going off on another incorrect tangent. Do you know that SEN was from a wealthy family? You literally have everything upside down. It's shocking.
So what if Senna was from a wealthy family? What's that got to do with it and for your information I met Anthony at Brands Hatch at a BTCC meet quite a few years ago when his other son was competing in a race and I asked him how it's been coming up, he replied that 'it could have been better' smiling!
So,many people started from humble beginnings,Mansell was one scrimping and saving HIMSELF from his window cleaners job in Birmingham so he could get where he was in F1 and US.
Your getting egg on your face mate.
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You're hilarious. There is a difference between going for a gap and a deliberate crash. Why don't you read about the things Anthony Hamilton and Lewis endured before going off on another incorrect tangent. Do you know that SEN was from a wealthy family? You literally have everything upside down. It's shocking.
Things like being childhood friends with Keke Rosberg and family and hanging out in Monte Carlo ?
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So what if Senna was from a wealthy family? What's that got to do with it and for your information I met Anthony at Brands Hatch at a BTCC meet quite a few years ago when his other son was competing in a race and I asked him how it's been coming up, he replied that 'it could have been better' smiling!
So,many people started from humble beginnings,Mansell was one scrimping and saving HIMSELF from his window cleaners job in Birmingham so he could get where he was in F1 and US.
Your getting egg on your face mate.
OMG. You just said that HAM had everything laid out before him. So did Senna yet you didn't mention that. Your double standards are absolutely the worst I've ever seen.

Egg on my face? You have an entire flock of chickens sitting on yours. And it's not eggs they're leaving behind.

Your bias is embarrassing. Your hatred of HAM has destroyed any semblance of fair play the you may have once possessed.
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I'm shocked that Williams destroyed the car, they could have sent it to Sao Paolo but then that's what Ferrari did to all of their shark nose 156 cars later after the '61 horror crash with von Trips and Clark.
According to court documents, it was in a "significant state of disrepair". The crash and subsequent investigation mostly destroyed the car, not to mention that it probably had a not insignificant amount of "biological material" on it.

I don't think it's shocking to have destroyed the car. It's not like there were any happy memories associated with that chassis (3x poles, 3x DNF including Imola). It would be morbid to keep it I would think.

They did of course keep the other FW16 chassis.
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Things like being childhood friends with Keke Rosberg and family and hanging out in Monte Carlo ?
I didn't realize being childhood friends with someone conferred their wealth on you. I have to do a better job selecting my friends.
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OMG. You just said that HAM had everything laid out before him. So did Senna yet you didn't mention that. Your double standards are absolutely the worst I've ever seen.

Egg on my face? You have an entire flock of chickens sitting on yours. And it's not eggs they're leaving behind.

Your bias is embarrassing. Your hatred of HAM has destroyed any semblance of fair play the you may have once possessed.
Don't get shirty with me mate and turn it into something you handily plucked out of your bag,in that case we shall put Mansell in for greatest driver seing what he went through.
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Don't get shirty with me mate and turn it into something you handily plucked out of your bag,in that case we shall put Mansell in for greatest driver being what he went through.
Lol. I'm getting factual with you. Mansell is a single WDC winner. An amazing achievement and he did it under tough circumstances but he really isn't eligible though I admire him, as well as SEN, without qualification.
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Lol. I'm getting factual with you. Mansell is a single WDC winner. An amazing achievement and he did it under tough circumstances but he really isn't eligible though I admire him, as well as SEN, without qualification.
It's not all about scores, just admit that HAM has had it easy tallying up his score with a superior car,as Sir Jackie has said and don't pour scorn on those who say it's mostly the car.

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''If you no longer go for a gap then you are no longer a racing driver'' Real world, real drivers not cocooned in cotton wool like HAM with superior car. Senna had to fight all corners including Balestre for recognition which makes him ideal candidate for the greatest driver not like HAM who has had virtually a red carpet laid out for him at every juncture.
Comparing with piloting an F22?...stroll on.
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OP has Max Verstappen's dildo so far up his bunghole that he created a thread to quote only choice excerpts from a Berger interview, in a sad attempt to diminish the achievements of one of the most statistically successful drivers of the sport.

Since OP likes to accept Gerhard Berger's opinion as gospel, he must also agree with what Berger has said about Lewis Hamilton:

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Also, "you are" is spelled "you're"
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I didn't realize being childhood friends with someone conferred their wealth on you. I have to do a better job selecting my friends.
Hamilton had knocked Nico for his family’s status during the 2016 season which was just ridiculous, if psychological gaming for battle or what Hamilton perceived as a legitimate argument.

My response was to the post about Hamilton relaying about getting racially taunted in karting.

Hamilton by all accounts had a childhood the masses could only dream about.

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