[Deda]

Greetings to all,i have a doubt...so i need help from all X5/X6 fans.
Half year ago i picked up F90 M5 comp after years of driving X3 3.0d,X6 35d,X5 40d and 640xd...boy that was i day and that was a change..for the better.

Few months ago i bought a car for my dad.. G05 X5 30d M sport,fully loaded with Air suspension...however my dad dont feel safe to drive a car so i took that duty as well..so i took him and my mother 2 times a mounth to ours house in mountains..its around 300 miles from our home,mostly highway..now i dont feel that car as i want,probably because after M5 comp every other big car from BMW line is soft and floating...i guess some of this floating comes also from Air suspension..dont get me wrong,Air suspension is great and comfy,but not for me.

Now i have a chance to trade the car for new X5 M50i with M professional suspension with amazing discount or to wait till May for X5M comp.

What do you think,i need you opinion about driving expirience comparing this two cars..from last F series and also comparing 40i ,50i and M50i G05 models.

Thank you all,

Deda

[Kief]

Probably not helpful in your situation bc it would be your X5, but:
Kief's 2020 X5 M50i (Coming from 2018 X5M) https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1667931

[Tenac]

Wait for the X5 M comp!

[Deda]

Originally Posted by Kief

Probably not helpful in your situation bc it would be your X5, but:
Kief's 2020 X5 M50i (Coming from 2018 X5M) https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1667931

Thank you Kief,i cant wait your longer review about difference between X5M and X5 M50i..

[mvigod]

I went for the X5 M50i but fully loaded it with every option available except rear seat entertainment.

I drove the regular X5 50i and thought it had enough power that I would actually be ok with that. The X5 is my 2nd/3rd car. Have an M2 for speed if I really need more and then a 458 Spider if I want to really go nuts.

With the above in mind, I decided the M50i with its bump in HP and additional M styling would probably be more than enough so ordered it. It is no on the aseembly line and hopefully will have it in the next one to two weeks max.

I loved the way the X5 50i drove so figured things could only get better from there especially since I did all the suspension/handling options the demo didn't have.

The X5M doesn't shave enough off the 0-60 or 0-100 times to make an enormous difference. I also kept in mind I could tune the X5 M50i if I wanted a little something extra.

I will of course test drive the X5M when it comes out and if I feel it is a big enough jump over the M50i I will just trade it in after the X5M has been out a year. This way it is debugged of any early issues and the price premiums will come down on them and discounts already set in.

I think either choice is a winner though. I almost just bought the regular X5 50i but decided to have a little patience for the M50i or full M.

[Deda]

Mvigod..thank you for replay..please post your expirience after you pick up the beast.

[novablackm3]

I kinda went the same direction as mvigod coming from a e70 x5m. The m50i is a great upgrade but def not a m car but my wife also couldn't wait . Overall love the car and no regrets

[Fatandre]

Originally Posted by mvigod

I went for the X5 M50i but fully loaded it with every option available except rear seat entertainment.

I drove the regular X5 50i and thought it had enough power that I would actually be ok with that. The X5 is my 2nd/3rd car. Have an M2 for speed if I really need more and then a 458 Spider if I want to really go nuts.

With the above in mind, I decided the M50i with its bump in HP and additional M styling would probably be more than enough so ordered it. It is no on the aseembly line and hopefully will have it in the next one to two weeks max.

I loved the way the X5 50i drove so figured things could only get better from there especially since I did all the suspension/handling options the demo didn't have.

The X5M doesn't shave enough off the 0-60 or 0-100 times to make an enormous difference. I also kept in mind I could tune the X5 M50i if I wanted a little something extra.

I will of course test drive the X5M when it comes out and if I feel it is a big enough jump over the M50i I will just trade it in after the X5M has been out a year. This way it is debugged of any early issues and the price premiums will come down on them and discounts already set in.

I think either choice is a winner though. I almost just bought the regular X5 50i but decided to have a little patience for the M50i or full M.

Why not a RR Sport?
I ask out of curiousity

[MystroX5]

I have thought about this comparison when testing the new G05. The issue is what do you plan to do with your X5?? I personally don’t want a full “M car” to travel cross country with my family. I own a full M car and wouldn’t want it as my SUV/touring rig. My reasoning is how extreme and sometimes fragile they can be with low hanging oil coolers, excessive heat, etc...for mixed road conditions 800 miles away from home. Then there is the mixed weather conditions that low profile tires won’t work in nor will the summer treads. This left me with the logical choice of a loaded X5 50 M-Sport. It’s a monster in its own right but more forgiving and less fragile on questionable road conditions. It’s a honest 4.0 second 0-60 luxury SUV. That is a incredibly fast luxury car let alone a full size SUV. Sometimes more is just more and can’t be utilized in its intended form. A 3.5 second 0-60mph SUV won’t offer me anything more in how I would ever use a luxury SUV. If I want a true high performance car that handles twisty roads I will use my full M car as it is what it was made for. SUV’s are fun to blast down the roads but it will never be a track car with that much mass. If you live in a warm climate and can only have one car then a X5M would make more sense but by its very nature a SUV/SAV is a compromised vehicle for it to be truly versatile.
I have done 1100 miles in one day with my family trying to beat a ice storm. My X5 was masterful and between the rain, slush, ice, and snow I had to drive through, a X5M would have been useless.

[mvigod]

Originally Posted by Fatandre

Why not a RR Sport?
I ask out of curiousity

Fatandre

Great question and Funny you should ask. I traded in a 2019 RR Sport SVR for my X5 M50i. The SVR was a bridge car to the X5. I had the SVR for a year and that was enough.

RR Sport SVR simply doesn't drive even close to an X5 especially with the suspension options you can get on an X5 (or even without).

Straight-line speed on the SVR was quick/fun and the car is loud and raucous. The overall RR vehicle quality I feel is not as good as BMW's and the infotainment and electronics are slow, clunky and the UI is poor. BMW is way far ahead in this area IMHO.

The MSRP on my SVR was around 124k. I got it for a few grand under that and paid no tax as I traded in a car worth more than that. So on the trade I am getting into a loaded up X5 M50i now for anywhere between me owing the dealer a grand to them owing me a grand depending what incentive BMW has at time of delivery. Overall a painless swap for me.

I have owned the last-gen X5 and then another gen before that I had an X5M. The current gen X5 50i had me drooling after the test drive. It was then I knew the SVR's days were numbered.

[novablackm3]

Originally Posted by Fatandre

Why not a RR Sport?
I ask out of curiousity

I had a 15 rr svr and now a 19 rr svr. Terrible cars other than that looks and exhaust note. Electrical is shit and it drives like a truck. After the x5 m50i we take it out more than the SVR

[solstice]

Go drive an M550i.

Compare that car to your M5 and you’ll have a very good idea of how the X5M will compare to the M50i.

To me the M cars are just worlds better driving cars while still providing ample comfort. It’s no longer so much about the power, it’s about handling, robustness, responsiveness and a more upscale feel and presence. You’ll pay for it though

[Kief]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

My X5 was masterful and between the rain, slush, ice, and snow I had to drive through, a X5M would have been useless.

My X5M handled winter conditions like a champ. You'll need a winter setup either way, M50i or X5M

[Deda]

Thank you all..im going to test the beast M50i with M professional suspension on friday..so i will know much more....

[MystroX5]

Originally Posted by Kief

My X5M handled winter conditions like a champ. You'll need a winter setup either way, M50i or X5M

The M50i can come with the factory 20” M wheels with AS RF tires. They work very well in mixed weather driving conditions.

[Kief]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

The M50i can come with the factory 20” M wheels with AS RF tires. They work very well in mixed weather driving conditions.

Very true...but I tend to be summer/winter guy anyway. Although this latest go around is proving to be more complicated than I would have hoped.

[MystroX5]

Originally Posted by Kief

Very true...but I tend to be summer/winter guy anyway. Although this latest go around is proving to be more complicated than I would have hoped.

Me too. My issue is I drive from PA to Miami every year in the winter months. 0 to upper 80s all in one trip. The problem is winter tires/wheels are really not desirable when I get south of the Carolinas. I got caught in every kind of weather last trip and only AS tires worked every road condition. Crappy potholes are better left for 20” wheels as well around DC. My only consolation is I have not noticed any performance compromise when pushing the 50i M-Sport hard up my mountain roads with the 20”/AS set-up. I can pretty much terrify anyone in the passenger seat at will.

[VTENGR]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

Me too. My issue is I drive from PA to Miami every year in the winter months. 0 to upper 80s all in one trip. The problem is winter tires/wheels are really not desirable when I get south of the Carolinas. I got caught in every kind of weather last trip and only AS tires worked every road condition. Crappy potholes are better left for 20” wheels as well around DC. My only consolation is I have not noticed any performance compromise when pushing the 50i M-Sport hard up my mountain roads with the 20”/AS set-up. I can pretty much terrify anyone in the passenger seat at will.

I grew up in Northern VA and never used snow tires - always had AS M+S on my vehicles. Never had a problem. Would winters be better, I'm sure, would summers be better in the summer, absolutely. Will AS tires kill you - no.

[Ilyam5]

Its a different mind set. They will not kill you but they will rob you of performance in the winter and in the summer.
Why spend 90 k on performance car and save 1300 on tires?
Unless you have mystro situation where you go from 20 degree winter to 85 summer in one trip Id say. Change tires

[VTENGR]

Originally Posted by Ilyam5

Its a different mind set. They will not kill you but they will rob you of performance in the winter and in the summer.
Why spend 90 k on performance car and save 1300 on tires?
Unless you have mystro situation where you go from 20 degree winter to 85 summer in one trip Id say. Change tires

True - I guess it's just convenience, but then also your driving habits. I used to drive a VW GTI with Falken UHP Summer tires on it. Drove that car to it's limits. I lived in Blacksburg, VA for a while, switched to UHP All Season (Conti DWS) b/c the weather didn't work well with UHP summer tires. Did not notice a significant performance drop. After that, I always thought, why bother. If I had to get a dedicated winter set, then I would get a dedicated summer set. Since I never felt the need for a dedicated winter set, I always put Conti DWS on my cars and never looked back.

I always feel these performance gains that everyone thinks about are on the fringes of the performance scale. How often are you pushing your car to those limits? And once you are, what are the actual performance gains? What is the difference in stopping distance b/w winter and AS in 20 degree weather? What is the difference in g forces between summer an AS in summer weather?

But for me, I very rarely would have to drive my car in snow - most of the time, the streets would be plowed, salted and sanded by the time I got out there - so that's a contributing factor.

[MystroX5]

I still can get draggy 0-60mph of 4 seconds flat with the 20” AS RF tires. It still feels like a proper sport sedan even though it’s a muscle/luxury SUV. No doubt with summer tires I could push it even father but I don’t know if I would ever want to explore that ragged limit with a SUV. I own a proper M car for that. As mentioned I can terrify even the most seasoned driver in my passenger seat in my 50i M-Sport going up my twisty mountain road to my home. I can go stupid fast.

Now I can make the toughest guy scream and cry like a little girl in my M2 Competition on the same road. It’s a sliding scale.

[Ilyam5]

Originally Posted by VTENGR

I always feel these performance gains that everyone thinks about are on the fringes of the performance scale. How often are you pushing your car to those limits? And once you are, what are the actual performance gains? What is the difference in stopping distance b/w winter and AS in 20 degree weather? What is the difference in g forces between summer an AS in summer weather? .

That is a good observation. Not everyone is going to notice. But i believe BMW forums are more slanted towards performance drivers and enthusiasts.
In your case - you just have to try different tires. Not all tires are born equal.

I guarantee if you put Michelin Pilot sport 4s on that car in the summer - you will feel the difference and it will be measurable.

For me - if i spend this money on the performance car - i want no compromises - use it to the max. So all season tires that came with the car would not perform to my standards

- they would hydroplane in the wet
- they howl and complain on every ramp
- car under steers badly with front tires pushing wide on every turn
- from all that pushing - front tires overheat and feather - thus reducing their life

All of that applies tenfold to M cars - so when X5M comes out - it will definitely need dedicated summer and winter tires. (that is why they do not sell they with all seasons)