[cobramite]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

yes, you’re absolutely right. now I understand where you’re coming from. I won’t accept your apology because none was required from you. it is I who should’ve considered those situations beforehand

Very easy to overlook and I could have been far more tactful in my description of charging.

[thewils]

My "upgrade" path is likely to hang on to the current one until interest rates come down a bit and then see what's available.

[JMD]

Originally Posted by thewils

My "upgrade" path is likely to hang on to the current one until interest rates come down a bit and then see what's available.

Indeed!

[S68 X5MC]

My path is the 2024 X5MC and it should be delivered in about two weeks. I decided that I really don't need two vehicles, so I pre-traded my 2018 Audi S6 Prestige and I'll be trading my 2023 45e M Sport in when it's delivered. It'll be a combination of both and I can't wait!

[cobramite]

Originally Posted by S68 X5MC

My path is the 2024 X5MC and it should be delivered in about two weeks. I decided that I really don't need two vehicles, so I pre-traded my 2018 Audi S6 Prestige and I'll be trading my 2023 45e M Sport in when it's delivered. It'll be a combination of both and I can't wait!

Please give us a review of the '24 X5MC after you have some time to settle in with it. Enjoy!

[S68 X5MC]

Originally Posted by cobramite

Please give us a review of the '24 X5MC after you have some time to settle in with it. Enjoy!

Will do.

[FastMarkA]

Originally Posted by cobramite

The same 911S now with comparable options is going to cost at least 160K which is just ridiculous.

I don't disagree; the current prices for Porsches far exceed what I can spend/justify on a car.

But they have an order backlog, so clearly a handful of people have the means to buy Porsches at the current pricing.

Capitalism is very efficient. If cars were piling up on dealers' lots, the prices would come down, but luckily for Porsche, that's not happening.

[eelnoraa]

hmm, not that I can afford at my life siutation, but if I can my favorite 911 (992) today is overwhelming Carrera-T, not S, GTS, Turbo, or even GTx. Of course, price is also well within $150k play a big role, but more important to me is the option list for this model, MT7, back seat delete, sun roof delete with CF ... all screening driver's car. I am a track junkie, horse power or straight line speed are never on my priority. Honestly, I have to admit I don't have enough skill and ball to drive a 500hp car around a circuit

[JMD]

Originally Posted by eelnoraa

hmm, not that I can afford at my life siutation, but if I can my favorite 911 (992) today is overwhelming Carrera-T, not S, GTS, Turbo, or even GTx. Of course, price is also well within $150k play a big role, but more important to me is the option list for this model, MT7, back seat delete, sun roof delete with CF ... all screening driver's car. I am a track junkie, horse power or straight line speed are never on my priority. Honestly, I have to admit I don't have enough skill and ball to drive a 500hp car around a circuit

"I am a track junkie, horse power or straight line speed are never on my priority."... Yes!

Not so many years ago, BMW never looked to be the brand with the most Hp!,...as its Engineers were more focused on Handling Dynamics vs Straight Line numbers!,...this was especially true given that BMWs were speed limited to about 155 Mph. Heck, I had a '93 325i (Auto),...and it could easily do 150 in 4th gear,...this wasn't even a 200Hp vehicle.

Many new comers to BMW don't know the joy of entering a Curve,...with the Hood (Bonnet) remaining as flat as an iHop pancake at 9am on Sunday monring,...as the well tuned Suspension does it's thing and rewarding the driver with a higher sense of satisfaction, etc. Case in point, I'll never forget the time when I upgraded the Swaybars on my '88 535is to those of the M5! No one on the road could tell me JACK! I use to go around suckering folks into corners,...then watch their headlights quickly Disappear! The E28 535i wasn't the fastest car on the street,...but man could it go around a corner,...especially if it had M5 swaybars installed!

[ScaldedDog]

Originally Posted by cptcolo

Personally I keep my cars for a while, so thinking about a replacement isn't even on my radar. I will probably keep mine for at least 5 to 7 years, maybe even we will see, but a put a lot of miles on it.

I certainly can't see a reason to 'upgrade' to anything else. The 45e is simply amazing in so many ways (ride quality, performance, handling as good or better than entry level muscle cars, smooth quite delivery of power, great HK sound system, nice interior, near unlimited gas mileage for city driving). I also really like the of the look of 45e and usefulness of the pre-LCI buttons. Everytime I look at the car I admire its beauty, and get tons of compliments.

Maybe in the future if I needed something bigger I would get a PHEV version of the X7 (I love the PHEV capabilities in the X5 45e over the regular 40i). It would be very hard for me to want any other car than a 45e currently.

This describes us, as well. When I saw the thread title I thought, "Who'd want to upgrade a perfectly good new vehicle?" Lots of folks around here, it turns out.

The 45e is my wife's car, but she'll move away from BMW to a Lexus plug-in hybrid when the time comes. The X5 is great, but frankly much nicer than we need, or even want. Until then, though, we'll drive the wheels off of it. Assuming we can reliably open the silly gas fill flap...

Mark

[modesa]

Thinking about a full EV next and the Audi Etron GT looks pretty good, or the least terrible out of all the current EV offerings anyway, and with Audi dealers putting $30k+ on the hood, it might even make sense financially.

OTOH maybe there's a reason they can't dump them even with $30k on the hood.

[cobramite]

Originally Posted by modesa

Thinking about a full EV next and the Audi Etron GT looks pretty good, or the least terrible out of all the current EV offerings anyway, and with Audi dealers putting $30k+ on the hood, it might even make sense financially.

OTOH maybe there's a reason they can't dump them even with $30k on the hood.

Wow, those are huge discounts. I had read about EVs not selling well currently but didn't realize it was that bad.
Those are damn good looking cars that you rarely ever see on the road at least here in the Naples FL area.

[modesa]

Originally Posted by cobramite

Wow, those are huge discounts. I had read about EVs not selling well currently but didn't realize it was that bad.
Those are damn good looking cars that you rarely ever see on the road at least here in the Naples FL area.

Here you go, in Tampa, guy backed out of the deal, still up for grabs.

https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/deal-...n-gt/494542/39

https://www.dimmitt.com/new-Wesley+C...FJBFWXP7006613



I think people's issues with these primarily revolve around the awful public charging station experience for all non-Tesla EVs, but maybe that will get better some day.

[cobramite]

Originally Posted by modesa

Here you go, in Tampa, guy backed out of the deal, still up for grabs.

https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/deal-...n-gt/494542/39

https://www.dimmitt.com/new-Wesley+C...FJBFWXP7006613



I think people's issues with these primarily revolve around the awful public charging station experience for all non-Tesla EVs, but maybe that will get better some day.

34K dollar price reduction. That is crazy but there is obviously the need.
I'm not looking for an EV right now but would sure check these out if I were.
I'm hoping they come forth with some of the rumored 1,000+ HP EV muscle cars. Those would be a hoot for a 3rd or 4th fun vehicle.

[JMD]

Originally Posted by cobramite

34K dollar price reduction. That is crazy but there is obviously the need.
I'm not looking for an EV right now but would sure check these out if I were.
I'm hoping they come forth with some of the rumored 1,000+ HP EV muscle cars. Those would be a hoot for a 3rd or 4th fun vehicle.

The fact that it looks like a stripped-down base model doesn't seems to help either!

[W0ut]

Driving one of the first 45e since oct 2019 and ordered a 50e last June.
Went for a hybrid because of local tax incentives.

The 50e is more expensive but it has some extra standard equipment over the 45e and extra power. I remember the 335d being a >6000 euro premium over the 330d for just 54 bhp extra.

Considered the new Porsche Cayenne Hybrid for a while. Never noticed the rounded front design until I drove it. Interior (and trunk) is smaller than X5. And in default trim not as nice as the X5. Spend an extra 10.000$ on options and the Cayenne interior is nicer.

Originally Posted by JMD

Like many of you have done in the past after acquiring a new or new-to-you vehicle, I've often thought about my "Upgrade Path". For instance, here is my past upgrade path of X5 ownership over the years:

E53 X5 3.0
E53 X5 4.6is
E53 X5 4.8is,...kept this one for a long time, abt 130k miles or more)
E70 X5 4.4i Sport (I think it was a 2010)
E70 X5 M (2010)
E70 X5 M (2012),...kept this one for abt 60k miles!
F15 X5 50i (2018)
G05 X5 50i (2019)
G05 X5 45e (2021),...still putting in the work!

Although I really like the 45e,...I also keep a keen eye out for a well-optioned M50! Also, going back to the "M" version isn't totally out the picture,...I'm not sure if I want to go back to the back,...as often the hard thing to do is come back to lower model. Although I gave of my 2012 X5M for a newer and higher tech 50i,...it was hard giving up the "M Suspension" of the E70 X5 M. Those of you whom have had an M version of any BMW surely could understand my concerns on this.

Now, at the moment, I see the 50e as my upgrade path! That said, how about you guys,...what's your upgrade path?

[cellarrat]

Originally Posted by eelnoraa

Two deciding factors for me.
1. How reliable and maintainable 45e is? This will likely dictate how long I will keep the car.
2. How good is EV charging infrastructure when I need to change from 45e?

When 45e reaches a point it become unreliable as family car, if EV charging infra is good enough for family road trip, I will definite get EV as a "leg" car. If EV infra isn't ready by then, I will most likely go back to a reliable ICE as family car. I don't think I will get another PHEV unless it represents a financial good deal, like it was for MY22 45e

This is where I am. I love the 45e. I intend to keep it a long time unless it becomes too problematic from a reliability standpoint.

This was reinforced by a recent 3 day experience in an X5 LCI. I could never own this vehicle. NOT trying to pick a fight, and I am thrilled that people with the new version are happy with their purchases, but the LCI has at least a handfull of UI/ergo/design changes to the interior that are hard "no's" for me.

So I would not buy a BMW to replace the current car unless they go in a different direction and clean some of these things up (from my personal and perhaps idiosyncratic perspective).

I would like to buy a pure EV next time out, but the infrastructure does not currently support that kind of purchase in my world. I could not buy a Rivian without worrying the company could go belly up, I won't give Musk a penny if I could avoid it, and there is nothing else out there that really competes.

So I am "stuck" with a car I really love for the time being. I just hope the thing is reliable.

[sigmabody]

Originally Posted by cellarrat

So I would not buy a BMW to replace the current car unless they go in a different direction and clean some of these things up (from my personal and perhaps idiosyncratic perspective).

I would like to buy a pure EV next time out, but the infrastructure does not currently support that kind of purchase in my world. I could not buy a Rivian without worrying the company could go belly up, I won't give Musk a penny if I could avoid it, and there is nothing else out there that really competes.

So I am "stuck" with a car I really love for the time being. I just hope the thing is reliable.

I 100% agree with this sentiment. I don't intend to buy another BMW, based on their current design language direction and focus; I don't begrudge the people it works for, but it really doesn't work for me. Plus, the iDrive software is pretty bad, and doesn't seem to be improving over time, and that's the weakest point for the 45e imho.

I don't know what the future will hold, but I tend to keep vehicles for a while by preference, so I'm not in a rush. If I had to buy something else right this moment, I'd probably look at Lexus or Genesis, or maybe stretch my budget and get the Cayenne (which is doing very well in design language, but you certainly pay more for their smarter decisions there), or Mercedes. BMW seems to be aiming more for Tesla in terms of design direction, and I'm not so much of a fan of minimalism in design (and if I was, at least Tesla has software which is less buggy/bad).

That's my input, anyway, fwiw.

[cobramite]

I bought an LCI M60i coming out of an X5 M50i. The changes are in reality quite minimal and very positive unless you are a person who is adamantly opposed to anything new which it seems as if there a few here who are in that camp.
Things change, everything changes, and they will change whether any of us as individuals are on board or not.
I know a guy who still drives his '84 Buick and uses a 50s era Royal mechanical typewriter with carbon paper and a lifetime stock of ribbons. Does anyone want to be that guy?
The changes that are appearing in BMW products are parallels of what MB, Lexus, Cadillac, Audi, etc., are currently employing and rapidly becoming industry standards.
The days of minimalistic analog gauges and every sqaure inch of console and dashboard space decorated with 75 buttons and switches are gone. Might as well accept it as none of that is coming back just for traditionalists and neither are chrome bumpers and four barrel carburetors.
I've been driving a 2024 M60i for two months now and can tell you that so far it is the best vehicle I have ever owned and I've had 911s, Z06s, BMWs, V-Series Cadillacs, Cayennes, Yukon Denalis, Escalades, more than I can count.

[sigmabody]

Originally Posted by cobramite

The changes that are appearing in BMW products are parallels of what MB, Lexus, Cadillac, Audi, etc., are currently employing and rapidly becoming industry standards.
The days of minimalistic analog gauges and every sqaure inch of console and dashboard space decorated with 75 buttons and switches are gone. Might as well accept it as none of that is coming back just for traditionalists and neither are chrome bumpers and four barrel carburetors.

This doesn't seem accurate, or at a minimum is conflating concerns. The industry doesn't move in a uniform direction, and market demand ultimately drives UX design... and UX design is a parallel concern to technology development in terms of functional usage (ie: engines, etc.).

I'm sure people said similar things in the 80's with respect to fuel consumption standards and horsepower (eg: "might as well accept that vehicles are never going to have 300hp again..."). To assert that minimalist and bolt-in screen based UX is the inevitable and uniform wave of the future seems... questionable at best. And it's certainly not the case that every manufacturer is trying to push the boundaries here (see for example the aforementioned Porsche Cayenne, which has an display integrated into the dash, and some physical button controls). BMW may be boldly going in their direction, but their direction is not necessarily "the future" by any stretch.

But as I said, as a consumer, I'll vote with my wallet, and buy whatever is closest to my personal taste and preferences when I change vehicles. Currently that's probably not going to be a BMW, based on current trends, but we shall see.

[JMD]

Originally Posted by cobramite

I bought an LCI M60i coming out of an X5 M50i. The changes are in reality quite minimal and very positive unless you are a person who is adamantly opposed to anything new which it seems as if there a few here who are in that camp.
Things change, everything changes, and they will change whether any of us as individuals are on board or not.
I know a guy who still drives his '84 Buick and uses a 50s era Royal mechanical typewriter with carbon paper and a lifetime stock of ribbons. Does anyone want to be that guy?
The changes that are appearing in BMW products are parallels of what MB, Lexus, Cadillac, Audi, etc., are currently employing and rapidly becoming industry standards.
The days of minimalistic analog gauges and every sqaure inch of console and dashboard space decorated with 75 buttons and switches are gone. Might as well accept it as none of that is coming back just for traditionalists and neither are chrome bumpers and four barrel carburetors.
I've been driving a 2024 M60i for two months now and can tell you that so far it is the best vehicle I have ever owned and I've had 911s, Z06s, BMWs, V-Series Cadillacs, Cayennes, Yukon Denalis, Escalades, more than I can count.

Understood. However, I'm not talking about "interior designs" and buttons. IMO, what makes the X5 what it is is the exterior more so than the interior,...as the exterior is seen first by all.

I don't think BMW considers what Mercedes, GM, or any other manufacturer is doing with their designs. Their too focused on 'BMW' designs.

Just my opinion.

[eelnoraa]

Originally Posted by cellarrat

This is where I am. I love the 45e. I intend to keep it a long time unless it becomes too problematic from a reliability standpoint.

This was reinforced by a recent 3 day experience in an X5 LCI. I could never own this vehicle. NOT trying to pick a fight, and I am thrilled that people with the new version are happy with their purchases, but the LCI has at least a handfull of UI/ergo/design changes to the interior that are hard "no's" for me.

So I would not buy a BMW to replace the current car unless they go in a different direction and clean some of these things up (from my personal and perhaps idiosyncratic perspective).

I would like to buy a pure EV next time out, but the infrastructure does not currently support that kind of purchase in my world. I could not buy a Rivian without worrying the company could go belly up, I won't give Musk a penny if I could avoid it, and there is nothing else out there that really competes.

So I am "stuck" with a car I really love for the time being. I just hope the thing is reliable.

I am with you here as well. My 45e has instrument failure at 7k miles. I can fix a lot of mechanical stuff, but unreliable and complicated electronics will be the biggest things to watch out for.

I am a long time BMW owner as well. I love the brand, this is exactly why I am very critical. I keep coming back to BMW brand because it is one of the very few brands out there, makes cars that I can use it for family road trip, take kids to day care, home depot visit ... daily errand stuffs, then on weekend, I can take it to Laguna Seca and have reasonable fun. On top of this unique capability, at least for all the BMW I have owned and still own now, they are very maintainable. If the maintainability and reliability degrade, I may have no choice but go for a two cars solution, ultimate reliable Japanese family car, could be boring. Then a small light weight good handling car for weekend.