[upsidedownfunnel]

Originally Posted by CLT_X5

Save for the fact that leaving an unattended car running is illegal in 31 states and countless more municipalities, even in states that have a blanket prohibition.

I can understand this logic for cars without remote start. It's too easy to leave your car running for way too long which would be a significant contributor to unwanted emissions. This is especially true because a cold engine will generate more emissions than a warm engine and an idling car takes a LONG time to warm up properly.

However, there should be an exception if you have a remote start that shuts off after 15 minutes or so. Just getting in and driving in a car in -10 degF weather is easier said than done.

[ScottMZ3]

GM cars have had remote start for over a decade and are sold in every state. Don’t think it’s an issue.

[ILM_X5]

Originally Posted by upsidedownfunnel

I can understand this logic for cars without remote start. It's too easy to leave your car running for way too long which would be a significant contributor to unwanted emissions. This is especially true because a cold engine will generate more emissions than a warm engine and an idling car takes a LONG time to warm up properly.

However, there should be an exception if you have a remote start that shuts off after 15 minutes or so. Just getting in and driving in a car in -10 degF weather is easier said than done.

Some states have time limits, others do not. Where I reside in NC, there is not a state statute prohibiting unattended idling, but there is a Charlotte city ordinance banning it in public or mostly public places. Does not pertain to one's single-family residence, but would apply in a mostly public parking lot say for work. Once or twice a year during the first cold weather CMPD makes a big deal about it and tickets a few people. Aside from that, I've never heard of someone receiving a citation.

[mose121]

This may be great for convenience, but it's terrible for engine wear. In theory the longer it takes to get the oil up to temp, the more wear occurs. In some climates 15-20 minutes of idling still won't bring the oil up to temp. Not to mention other fluids like diff, transfer case, trans, etc that will not heat up when idling. Best thing to do is just get in the car and drive moderately until everything is up to temp. Shouldn't take more than 5-10 min driving max even in extreme cold.

[omaralt]

Originally Posted by mose121

This may be great for convenience, but it's terrible for engine wear. In theory the longer it takes to get the oil up to temp, the more wear occurs. In some climates 15-20 minutes of idling still won't bring the oil up to temp. Not to mention other fluids like diff, transfer case, trans, etc that will not heat up when idling. Best thing to do is just get in the car and drive moderately until everything is up to temp. Shouldn't take more than 5-10 min driving max even in extreme cold.

its usually not about the fluids warming up as much as climate control. here in FL it can get very hot. so being able to have the AC running a few mins before entering the car is amazing. and i'm sure those that live in the colder environments also appreciate the heating of the cabin

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Interesting to see the climate control sync feature in iDrive now.

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by mose121

This may be great for convenience, but it's terrible for engine wear. In theory the longer it takes to get the oil up to temp, the more wear occurs. In some climates 15-20 minutes of idling still won't bring the oil up to temp. Not to mention other fluids like diff, transfer case, trans, etc that will not heat up when idling. Best thing to do is just get in the car and drive moderately until everything is up to temp. Shouldn't take more than 5-10 min driving max even in extreme cold.

Who cares? Something like 50-60% of BMW's are leased.

[marcva]

Originally Posted by Mo@BMWofFairfax

Who cares? Something like 50-60% of BMW's are leased.

Seriously?!!!

This is an interesting confirmation from a BMW employee that these cars are thought of as three-year, throwaway devices that aren't worth anything after warranty runs out.

A measure of a cars quality used to be how well it held it's value. Now people need oled taillights and bitchin mirrors.

[JayPichardo]

Works from the app too

[Wolf]

My dad had this feature on his 94 honda accord 24 years ago

[DML]

Does this require 2 bagging your Fob with a Faraday?? Otherwise, I like.

[mose121]

Originally Posted by omaralt

its usually not about the fluids warming up as much as climate control. here in FL it can get very hot. so being able to have the AC running a few mins before entering the car is amazing. and i'm sure those that live in the colder environments also appreciate the heating of the cabin

You completely missed the point of my post. I'm guessing BMW is going to start seeing a slew of issues 4-6 years down the road on these cars as a result of premature wear on internal engine components. If you want to trade 5 minutes of being uncomfortable for expensive engine repairs, that's your prerogative. Hotter climates are going to have to deal with excessive condensation buildup in the motor, especially on cars that are used mostly in stop and go traffic or short trips. BMW has already had condensation issues for decades, and remote starters certainly aren't going to help the situation.

Originally Posted by Mo@BMWofFairfax

Who cares? Something like 50-60% of BMW's are leased.

So what about the other 40-50% that aren't leased? You're going to have a hard time retaining clients if they keep having expensive engine issues. Client retention, CSI, brand reliability ratings, etc, will all decrease. That's not going to be good for sales.

[omaralt]

Originally Posted by mose121

You completely missed the point of my post. I'm guessing BMW is going to start seeing a slew of issues 4-6 years down the road on these cars as a result of premature wear on internal engine components. If you want to trade 5 minutes of being uncomfortable for expensive engine repairs, that's your prerogative. Hotter climates are going to have to deal with excessive condensation buildup in the motor, especially on cars that are used mostly in stop and go traffic or short trips. BMW has already had condensation issues for decades, and remote starters certainly aren't going to help the situation.




So what about the other 40-50% that aren't leased? You're going to have a hard time retaining clients if they keep having expensive engine issues. Client retention, CSI, brand reliability ratings, etc, will all decrease. That's not going to be good for sales.

i dont think you realize that remote start has been around for decades. people have been installing them since at least the 90s. Chevy and other companies have had them factory installed for at least another 8 years or so and they have not noticed a slew of issues with their engines.

[jhigg85]

About freaking time.

[P1]

Wow, remote start! Surprised they don't make a video about electric windows. Lol...

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by nytrus112

Nice of BMW to join the 21st century on this one. Maybe even 20th for some ��.

True story.. however... in Europe... where they have auto stop /start shut off to REDUCE vehicle emisssions.... adding a feature that most assuredly makes emissions WORSE by allowing them to run for 20-30 minutes while unattended certainly isn't " logical"....

I wonder if BMW will program this feature OUT of Euro vehicles in the same way that they give us things like US MDM .. and the way they used to code out window rollup features for the US.

Originally Posted by P1et

Wow, remote start! Surprised they don't make a video about electric windows. Lol...

ha... that's probably coming next year..

Originally Posted by mose121

This may be great for convenience, but it's terrible for engine wear. In theory the longer it takes to get the oil up to temp, the more wear occurs. In some climates 15-20 minutes of idling still won't bring the oil up to temp. Not to mention other fluids like diff, transfer case, trans, etc that will not heat up when idling. Best thing to do is just get in the car and drive moderately until everything is up to temp. Shouldn't take more than 5-10 min driving max even in extreme cold.

I don't think anyone will dispute this... other than to say that most people simply want convenience .

And people that want this feature.. likely WILL trade convenience for longevity.. particularly if it's a lease vehicle.

if YOU choose NOT to use the feature... that's certainly fine...

[P1]

Originally Posted by Mo@BMWofFairfax

Who cares? Something like 50-60% of BMW's are leased.

Absolutely spot on. Break in period, the auto on/off, and now this. Doesn't matter in the slightest if it's a lease beater.

[P1]

Originally Posted by marcva

Seriously?!!!

This is an interesting confirmation from a BMW employee that these cars are thought of as three-year, throwaway devices that aren't worth anything after warranty runs out.

A measure of a cars quality used to be how well it held it's value. Now people need oled taillights and bitchin mirrors.

Held its value? You realize you're on a BMW forum, right?

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by P1et

Held its value? You realize you're on a BMW forum, right?

lol.. maybe he should have said.. BEWARE.. this could affect future lease residuals..

that would get some attention..

[marcva]

Originally Posted by omaralt

i dont think you realize that remote start has been around for decades.

American Motors first provided remote start in 1983.

[dmboone25]

Very cool, the tech has only been available for about 20 years.

Better really late than never I suppose.

[Who's on first]

Originally Posted by eDrive

There are sometimes legal issues with features like this.

I guess BMW feels it's no longer a potential law suit waiting to happen.

20 years of most other auto makers doing it, finally proved to BMW that they were in a legal free zone.