[VTENGR]

Originally Posted by OneBP210

Yeah that two week drive really justifies the other 51 weeks.
You shouldn’t be driving if you need assistance.

You must not use your X5 to commute to and from work - or have a very pleasant commute. Where I live, 13 miles takes 45 minutes. There's absolutely no joy in driving in those conditions. The assistance features (especially ACC w/ Stop & Go) makes it more enjoyable/less monotonous.

[davramic]

Originally Posted by Ilyam5

I think the full M version of the x5 will be an overkill. I posted it in x3M thread - that the full M treatment for SUVs are too much.
I'm willing to live with all the inconveniences of M car if i'm able to track it and use all of its performance. But SUVs are not allowed on tracks and utilizing the teeth shattering rough suspension, 7.5K RPM screaming 600 HP engine on the street is impossible.

M cars a finicky to live with. I do not want to deal with it on an SUV

Extra cooling radiator under the bumper - requires extra care not to puncture. It keeps you from overheating on the track but not needed on the street.
Super stiff hardcore suspension designed for cornering at the limit is really hard to live with.
Super low profile R compound tires - are rough on wet and cold roads with potholes - list goes on...

So therefore M performance version of X5 M50 is more than enough for people looking to buy loaded M pack SUV.
For those looking for off road pack and x-line - the time to buy is now - X5 50 - is it the last V8 x line SUV?

holy **** I agree. Hence why I am ditching the M5 for a new fully loaded X5 50i. The drive is harsh, the car has been a nightmare of problems (you all think the X5 "new model" gremlins are a problem? HAH. The new year model 2018 M5 has LITERALLY spent 6 months of the last 12 I have owned it in the shop, so don't even complain).

The reality is you just don't use that much muscle OOMPH in daily living and the penis measuring bullcrap of having that much under the hood but having a crap ride quality just doesn't cut it anymore. Preach it.

[AndroidRobot]

Originally Posted by Ilyam5

I think the full M version of the x5 will be an overkill. I posted it in x3M thread - that the full M treatment for SUVs are too much.
I'm willing to live with all the inconveniences of M car if i'm able to track it and use all of its performance. But SUVs are not allowed on tracks and utilizing the teeth shattering rough suspension, 7.5K RPM screaming 600 HP engine on the street is impossible.

M cars a finicky to live with. I do not want to deal with it on an SUV

Extra cooling radiator under the bumper - requires extra care not to puncture. It keeps you from overheating on the track but not needed on the street.
Super stiff hardcore suspension designed for cornering at the limit is really hard to live with.
Super low profile R compound tires - are rough on wet and cold roads with potholes - list goes on...

So therefore M performance version of X5 M50 is more than enough for people looking to buy loaded M pack SUV.
For those looking for off road pack and x-line - the time to buy is now - X5 50 - is it the last V8 x line SUV?

For the most part, I agree although the M5 is a proper ///M car that I would love to drive on a daily basis anywhere but where I currently live. SAV's are meant to be comfortable and very rarely get tracked so going full ///M doesn't always makes sense. Don't get me wrong I love the X5M and X3M (I can't wait to test drive one for fun ) but living with one daily would be hard in most parts of the country.

[mrjoed2]

Originally Posted by Ilyam5

That's what MB GLE 450 drivers are going to see and hear all the time

Hey man that is not a fair comparison & you know it.
The GLE 450 is a direct competitor to the x5 40 not the 50.
And the GLE 450 outguns the X5 40 in HP & torque. Plus the new 48V ISG generates a additional 21hp & 170 lb torque for short bursts.
It's going to be a heck of a engine - and no fan belts!
The upcoming GLE AMG53 will be closer to the Bimmer 50


https://autoweek.com/article/technol...en-well-see-it

[MystroX5]

Originally Posted by mrjoed2

Hey man that is not a fair comparison & you know it.
The GLE 450 is a direct competitor to the x5 40 not the 50.
And the GLE 450 outguns the X5 40 in HP & torque. Plus the new 48V ISG generates a additional 21hp & 170 lb torque for short bursts.
It's going to be a heck of a engine - and no fan belts!
The upcoming GLE AMG53 will be closer to the Bimmer 50


https://autoweek.com/article/technol...en-well-see-it

Problem is the GLE 53 AMG doesnt out perform the base X5 40i in actual results. A 50i is in another zip code of performance.
The performance specs are already in for the 2020 GLE 53 AMG at 5.3 seconds 0-60mph. That’s horrible. Only the GLE 63 AMG is left to see if it has any performance competition for BMW.


Go to 7:30 in the video for it’s performance specs. This is increasingly bad considering it can only achieve this with a momentary blast from the electric motor. When that has to shut off the power will be even worse.
It will go from average performance to dismal for most of its driving acceleration needs. This from a AMG 53. Competition brings out the best in brands but MB will not be a performance SUV with the GLE line much like the current crop from Audi. My hope is the GLE 63 AMG will be a true performance SUV.

[AndroidRobot]

Originally Posted by mrjoed2

Hey man that is not a fair comparison & you know it.
The GLE 450 is a direct competitor to the x5 40 not the 50.
And the GLE 450 outguns the X5 40 in HP & torque. Plus the new 48V ISG generates a additional 21hp & 170 lb torque for short bursts.
It's going to be a heck of a engine - and no fan belts!
The upcoming GLE AMG53 will be closer to the Bimmer 50


https://autoweek.com/article/technol...en-well-see-it

I hope you're being sarcastic, the GLE53 will be as quick as a base X7 40i hopefully they actually make the GLE 63 and GLE 63s properly quick or it's going to be a landslide for BMW until Audi launches the RS Q8 especially since the X5M Comp just leaked

[mrjoed2]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

Problem is the GLE 53 AMG doesnt out perform the base X5 40i in actual results. The performance specs are already in for the 2020 GLE 53 AMG at 5.3 seconds 0-60mph. That’s horrible. Only the GLE 63 AMG is left to see if it has any performance competition for BMW.

I am seeing the GLE 450 should do 0-60 in 5.5, which is right with the X5 40i. I can't believe the AMG53 won't hit around 5 seconds. We will see. Anyway a GLE 450 starts at 61K, a X5 50i at 75K.

[QVDriver]

I have the ACC on the QV in a Rosso tri coat. I have not heard anyone having any issues with ACC in those colors from white to 2 blues 2 reds light gray dark gray and no issues. The only complaint I have heard is the white has reflections that interfere with the back up camera

[QVDriver]

Originally Posted by AndroidRobot

I hope you're being sarcastic, the GLE53 will be as quick as a base X7 40i hopefully they actually make the GLE 63 and GLE 63s properly quick or it's going to be a landslide for BMW until Audi launches the RS Q8 especially since the X5M Comp just leaked

Isn’t the X7 in the same class as the GLS series. Not a Benz person but cross shopping I thought the sizes were similar. The X7 I will say is a pretty cool car with the captains chairs in the second row and the sky lounge looks cool too. Didn’t need the extra space so not in the market for that size but thought the GLE was a bit smaller a little more space than the X5 but not the same as the X7

[AndroidRobot]

Originally Posted by QVDriver

Isn’t the X7 in the same class as the GLS series. Not a Benz person but cross shopping I thought the sizes were similar. The X7 I will say is a pretty cool car with the captains chairs in the second row and the sky lounge looks cool too. Didn’t need the extra space so not in the market for that size but thought the GLE was a bit smaller a little more space than the X5 but not the same as the X7

Yes that was part of my joke because the X7 40i can keep Pace with the GKE 53 AMG and it's a whale.

[spike5150]

Leaked pics of full X5M. Looks awesome!

https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1596473

[magbarn]

Originally Posted by mrjoed2

I am seeing the GLE 450 should do 0-60 in 5.5, which is right with the X5 40i. I can't believe the AMG53 won't hit around 5 seconds. We will see. Anyway a GLE 450 starts at 61K, a X5 50i at 75K.

MT has the 40i doing 0-60 5.0 and C&D has it at 4.9. We'll see how much MB underrates their GLE as much as BMW underrates their X5...

MB's pricing is also an issue as your interior and wheel options are tied up in really weird ways on how many leather colors are only available with certain package options. Some of the dual color interior leather options also make you get a mbtex dash instead of leather. Really weird.

None of the local MB dealers around me are willing to go less than 2-3% MSRP at this point on the GLE while you can get 10% off the 50i at this time with all discounts and rebates bringing the price very close to parity.
Finally the GLE's starting price also comes with mbtex pleather while BMW has leather standard.

[mrjoed2]

Originally Posted by magbarn

MT has the 40i doing 0-60 5.0 and C&D has it at 4.9. We’ll see how much MB underrates their GLE as much as BMW underrates their X5...

I agree - the GLE 450 & AMG53 will both post better numbers than the stock figures - both are underrated.

But the more I look into this, I think the M50i is going to be fantastic,
and assuming there is not a big price increase over the current 50i, likely will be what I'm interested in. Only wild card for me are the color choices, which hopefully will improve with the 2020.

[Ilyam5]

It seems that MB decided to drop the 0-60 and sports car handling in Suvs. Even MB sales people recognize GLE is more about utility vs performance. They actually move quite a few 350 to moms who are just interested in space and 3d row

BMW went the other way - which i appreciate. The question though is - when is it starting to be diminishing returns. X5 50 is so fast that no one in my family wants to buy one or drive it to full power.

But we are going to have more

X5 50. 456 HP
M50. 523 HP
X5M. 600 HP
X5 m comp. 625-650HP

If 50 is a 4 second car. That makes competition 3.3? That is Ferrari territory

[MystroX5]

One factor that continues to grow is no one wants a car. SUV’s are what the public wants to drive and at every level of driving. For the performance BMW driver will be how hardcore do you want your performance SUV to ride. There is no way around that a harsh ride and wide summer tires are a requirement for ultimate cornering. Unfortunatly those characteristics don’t fit in most peoples lifestyle on how they use a performance SUV. Here lies the dichotomy in extreme performing SUVs. As mentioned, we now are a honest 4 second luxury/performance with a very good ride and good cornering. Most of us won’t want or need to sacrifice comfort to go any further in performance. Thank god BMW is leading the charge by giving choices to performance minded drivers in their SUV.

[Np2014]

I held out pulling the trigger on a 2019 x5 50i now waiting for the 2020 x5 m50i. I hope Bmw releases info soon so I can upgrade my current X5 4.8i before winter 2019 starts. That horsepower increase, sporty feel, and newer technology v8 coming out has me sold. Its hard to settle for a low horse power, non sporty bouncy feel, and over expensive 2020 gle 450 when my normal daily driver is an M4. Mercedes really screwed the pooch on the 2020 Gle in releasing an inline 4 and inline 6 with zero v8 option. Unless you wait for the gle63 amg which competes against the X5M not the base model x5s. Audi has also gone soft aside from the sq5 their suv engines are a slow joke. Good lord audi stick the Rs5 engine in an suv.

[MystroX5]

Here is the problem with Audi doing this. Under the family tree, Audi will never be left to compete with the Porsche. So you have the Urus at the highest level, the Cayenne Turbo, and now Q8 as the halo SUV’s in the brand structure. Audi always gets the short end of the performance stick. Once Porsche got into the luxury sedan world and Lambo with SUV’s, it became a total beat down to what Audi is left to excel at. Audi really strives to compete with MB and BMW in the late 90’s and early 2000’s with the R8 they were crushing it at LeMans. The RS4 was a serious competitor to the M3. They never were able to develop the TT as a serious performance car for a lot of internal reasons.
That all dried up and Audi was left with the last superlative they had left in their identity with interior designs. Now that edge has been fallen away with MB and BMW carving their own great interiors. Audi is left without a identity.

[Muggins88]

I believe they’re for a totally different customer.

[MystroX5]

Originally Posted by Muggins88

I believe they’re for a totally different customer.

Absolutely. Audi and MB are now putting all their eggs in competing for the same demographic.

[mrjoed2]

One other small thing I give BMW credit for is still providing fog lights.
I really don't like that Benz & Audi have done away with them.

[MystroX5]

Originally Posted by mrjoed2

One other small thing I give BMW credit for is still providing fog lights.
I really don't like that Benz & Audi have done away with them.

Wow, I didn’t even notice. I used my LED fog lights on a road trip with sleet and rain falling. They made a big difference because of being bright, their location and how they were aimed. Splitting their location from the headlighs was a big factor on their effectiveness.

[mrjoed2]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

Wow, I didn’t even notice. I used my LED fog lights on a road trip with sleet and rain falling. They made a big difference because of being bright, their location and how they were aimed.

Yes they certainly make a difference. Other brands are saying they are not needed any longer as advancement in lighting makes up for fogs.
I disagree, the lower location of fogs gives lighting that a headlight cluster can't cover. Plus they look nice!

I will say that while my 650i coupe has them the new 850i does not,
so not all models still come with them.