[AndroidRobot]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

Remember there was a X5 with mismatched panels back in January on the forum.

yes I do was that at your dealer?

[rmorin1249]

Maybe the roof rails are deleted because of wind noise at speeds in excess of 155 mph.

[MystroX5]

Originally Posted by AndroidRobot

yes I do was that at your dealer?

No another member. My dealer had it on a M5 if I recall. They have had 3 series come in without sunroofs on customer orders that was part of a package. I think this stuff happens more than most know.

[Xfive]

Originally Posted by scottjays

I'm in for production on my M50i...I've said if it does not arrive w/ roof rails I'll pass and reorder.

If you are looking for positives... It is much easier to blow dry without the rails. I don't miss them.

[rottenit]

Originally Posted by dbjunction

BMW X5 M50i Limited Edition with No Roof Rails...less than 1000 units will be produced...grab one before they run out!

1000 +1, I just refused delivery on one due to the missing rails. 4 hours of driving for nada. Maybe ill wait for the X5M...

[MystroX5]

Originally Posted by rottenit

1000 +1, I just refused delivery on one due to the missing rails. 4 hours of driving for nada. Maybe ill wait for the X5M...

if you don’t need to drive in mixed weather then you should.

[Ilyam5]

Originally Posted by rottenit

1000 +1, I just refused delivery on one due to the missing rails. 4 hours of driving for nada. Maybe ill wait for the X5M...

i would think long and hard about x5M. i still stay by my statement - that
"Full M treatment does not suit SUVs".

- suspension too stiff and unforgiving
- torque - too high up in the rev range
- weight too high, center of gravity - too high
- loss of some utility to off road, carry passengers in comfort
- CAN NOT TAKE THEM TO THE TRACK AND USE THAT M TUNE

Look at this review of x3M - i would not buy this car.
https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1648692

X3 M40
or x5 M50 - is aggressive enough for me - for everything else - there is M2

[Tenac]

Originally Posted by Ilyam5

i would think long and hard about x5M. i still stay by my statement - that
"Full M treatment does not suit SUVs".

- suspension too stiff and unforgiving : I don't think I would buy an actual M for comfort??
- torque - too high up in the rev range Completely dependent on the engine its self. The 50i V8 makes plenty down low.
- weight too high, center of gravity - too high I do not disagree with this, they should lower it and reduce weight if possible.
- loss of some utility to off road, carry passengers in comfort Once again M not comfort, so think just performance based.
- CAN NOT TAKE THEM TO THE TRACK AND USE THAT M TUNE Why not?

Look at this review of x3M - i would not buy this car.
https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1648692

X3 M40
or x5 M50 - is aggressive enough for me - for everything else - there is M2

Overall I believe you buy the X5M for just that its a fast not very practical vehicle.

[Ilyam5]

Originally Posted by Tenac

Overall I believe you buy the X5M for just that its a fast not very practical vehicle.

- CAN NOT TAKE THEM TO THE TRACK AND USE THAT M TUNE Why not?

Most driving clubs that i instruct with do not allow SUVs in any driving groups. They are just too big, too cumbersome and not mix well with track prepared cars. You might sneak one in for a parade lap but not for serious driving. I saw instructors goofing around in x5M for 5 minutes - but that's the extent of it. so the short answer - you are not allowed to bring them in.
On the second note - the SUV will not last on the track very long. it will cook the brakes and crack rotors very quickly. It will chew up the tires and sidewalls. Plus it will not be much fun when Mazda Maiatas are zooming around you in every corner and you can only do straights.

The beauty of M cars - was always that they were dual purpose cars. Comfortable and practical enough for the street and usable for track days.

What I'm saying looks like the super performance SUVs are diminishing both spectrums of that dual purpose - No track and no street comfort.

[Tenac]

Originally Posted by Ilyam5

- CAN NOT TAKE THEM TO THE TRACK AND USE THAT M TUNE Why not?

Most driving clubs that i instruct with do not allow SUVs in any driving groups. They are just too big, too cumbersome and not mix well with track prepared cars. You might sneak one in for a parade lap but not for serious driving. I saw instructors goofing around in x5M for 5 minutes - but that's the extent of it. so the short answer - you are not allowed to bring them in.
On the second note - the SUV will not last on the track very long. it will cook the brakes and crack rotors very quickly. It will chew up the tires and sidewalls. Plus it will not be much fun when Mazda Maiatas are zooming around you in every corner and you can only do straights.

The beauty of M cars - was always that they were dual purpose cars. Comfortable and practical enough for the street and usable for track days.

What I'm saying looks like the super performance SUVs are diminishing both spectrums of that dual purpose - No track and no street comfort.

Thanks for the answer of why not... I did not know that they are not allowed on tracks.

I don't agree with the both spectrum POV. I would guess not the majority of owners take any M car to the track. Yes I am sure there are plenty out there but would put my bet its like a Ford Raptor most don't see what they are designed for.... I for one take mine to the strip which I would say the X5M will do great at. I test drove an M4 and M5 and neither seem to have what I would call Comfort.... So just my opinion here but I think if I were to think of buying an M badge (I am waiting to order my M8) I don't put comfort as a need.... To me that is like saying I want a powerful engine with 8 cylinders and wanting 30MPG or more... LOL I just don't put those two things together while thinking about performance and comfort. However my 50i nails both very well but its my DD. My sports vehicle I only want it to do one thing perfectly that is go FAST!!!.. lol

[rottenit]

So I don't derail this thread, ive posted a new one talking about my options at this point here: https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1651156

[scottjays]

Originally Posted by 787Pilot

After all I've been through with these G05's, I just noticed the image on My BMW Garage does not show the Roof Rails, nor are they listed under standard equipment. Instead, there's this -$250 removal credit and now I'm getting pissed all over again.

The car was supposed to arrive at the VPC Thursday the 12th, but so far it's not showing it has arrived.

Why would they remove the Roof Rails? Anyone come up with a definite answer?

Do you know the exact build date? We all thought they factory had resolved this missing roof rail issue. The M50i being delivered to members and dealers of late now seem to have the rails.

[787Pilot]

Originally Posted by scottjays

Do you know the exact build date

All I know is it was August 13th when we set down to order the car.

[rottenit]

Originally Posted by 787Pilot

All I know is it was August 13th when we set down to order the car.

That was about a week after I ordered and mine was missing the rails.

[spike5150]

Originally Posted by 787Pilot

All I know is it was August 13th when we set down to order the car.

Did you order full merino? That option seems to instantly lock down a build.

However, one would think BMW could fix it in the system.

Absence of roof rails was a screw up on BMW’s part.

[The J-Man]

The missing rails is a factory error. You car definitely won't have them. The issue was fixed about the third week in August.

[dan321]

Even if you don't care about the rails it is important to have them. Eventually. when you go to sell the car any potential buyer will use the lack of rails as a negotiating point.

But I think the rails are an important part of the look of the X5; I wouldn't want an X5 without them even though I will probably never use them.

My guess now is that you will make the dealer build another X5 for you or you will switch brands in frustration. Best of luck in whatever you end up doing and we will all be interested in the result.

Originally Posted by 787Pilot

It arrived at the VPC today. The actual build date was Aug. 27th.

[LeftLaneBMW]

Has anyone in California received their M50i? Mine arrived at the VPC on 8/13 and current status is still unknown. Mygarage says it is still at the port, while BMW Genius and the dealer think it is enroute to the SoCal VDC. The car sat at the VPC for over 4 weeks before moving which is unusual.

Makes me wonder if BMW was trying to retrofit the missing roof rails on the M50i's at the VPC before they got released for shipment?

[nvsocr7]

The m50i I test drove had the roof rails. Mine is showing them in the components list

[Silver TT]

Anyone cross shop the 2020 X5 M50 with the 2020 Range Rover Sport Supercharged (the 525hp version just for clarity)?

I am really torn between the two. I know the X5M50 is the "better" overall car - slightly faster, better infotainment, etc - but the RRSS just has more of that gotta have it factor and they are somewhat less common to see on streets around CT (even though we have a lot of RRs we have way more X5s).

The other thing is the exhaust note, the RRSS sounds incredible where as the X5M50 to me at least sounds good, but not great. Interested in other thoughts. Price wise they are literally almost identical when both have the right options. Making decision very soon. Thanks guys.

[champkindwhammy]

Originally Posted by Silver TT

Anyone cross shop the 2020 X5 M50 with the 2020 Range Rover Sport Supercharged (the 525hp version just for clarity)?

I am really torn between the two. I know the X5M50 is the "better" overall car - slightly faster, better infotainment, etc - but the RRSS just has more of that gotta have it factor and they are somewhat less common to see on streets around CT (even though we have a lot of RRs we have way more X5s).

The other thing is the exhaust note, the RRSS sounds incredible where as the X5M50 to me at least sounds good, but not great. Interested in other thoughts. Price wise they are literally almost identical when both have the right options. Making decision very soon. Thanks guys.

I drove the RR sport with the V-8. Great looking and fun to drive. It was a $100k sticker and the guy told me very politely they don't negotiate and a $0 down lease was approx $1600 a month. I'm leasing a 2020m50i for $1100. While I do thing the Rover looks better that's a joke relative to the bang for the buck of the X5

[The J-Man]

Originally Posted by champkindwhammy

I drove the RR sport with the V-8. Great looking and fun to drive. It was a $100k sticker and the guy told me very politely they don't negotiate and a $0 down lease was approx $1600 a month. I'm leasing a 2020m50i for $1100. While I do thing the Rover looks better that's a joke relative to the bang for the buck of the X5

I have never understood the lack of discounts on Land Rover. Some of their cars are pretty nice, but they are some of the worst values in the auto industry. Combine that with abysmal reliability and terrible dealerships, and I just don't know how they manage to sell them. I've also heard that custom orders are a total shit show. Can take anywhere from 6-12 months for your car to arrive.