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      03-02-2020, 12:34 AM   #89
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this is interesting..
most of the time i was reading here FIA was favoring Merc' but i was insisting that FIA likes Ferrari more in this game.. like Ron Dennis said back in time.. FIA, Ferrari International Assistance.. is it still valid.. maybe..

I bet FIA concluded Ferrari was exceeding fuel burn regulations by defeating sensor. FIA canít disclose that because the enviro-freak Euro media will go nuts. F1 is suppose to be moving towards carbon neutral. They canít have one of the sports biggest teams being caught defeating those systems.
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I bet FIA concluded Ferrari was exceeding fuel burn regulations by defeating sensor. FIA canít disclose that because the enviro-freak Euro media will go nuts. F1 is suppose to be moving towards carbon neutral. They canít have one of the sports biggest teams being caught defeating those systems.
I agree.

They found a loophole in the system architecture an exploited it. I applaud Red Bull Racing and Mercedes for performing a combined investigation to uncover all of the methods in which this could be successfully executed.

The FIA has, once again, proven itself to be corrupt and devoid of fair play. If non-compliant, Fezza should be DQ'd from those races just as Renault was when they exceed fuel flow regulations by accident. Additionally, since the Fezza work-around was deliberate, they should have had all of their manufacturer championship points deleted just as Macca did back in 2007.
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I encourage you guys to read over the following article written by Dieter Rencken: https://www.racefans.net/2020/03/02/...is-power-unit/

He goes into some detail about why the decision was made and provides some interesting insights into the decision process. Worth a read to have all the facts before making a decision.
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I agree.

They found a loophole in the system architecture an exploited it. I applaud Red Bull Racing and Mercedes for performing a combined investigation to uncover all of the methods in which this could be successfully executed.

The FIA has, once again, proven itself to be corrupt and devoid of fair play. If non-compliant, Fezza should be DQ'd from those races just as Renault was when they exceed fuel flow regulations by accident. Additionally, since the Fezza work-around was deliberate, they should have had all of their manufacturer championship points deleted just as Macca did back in 2007.
My friend it's not the first time that I say Jean Todt's underwear is still red
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      03-03-2020, 03:12 AM   #93
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My friend it's not the first time that I say Jean Todt's underwear is still red
True my friend but they may have faded over time to a dirty silver colour after constant washing with an unknown powder
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Interesting and not at all surprising development regarding the settlement between the FIA and Ferrari. Seems that the teams are really irked about the confidentiality of the deal and are considering legal recourse. All of the non-Ferrari powered teams raised an objection. Will be interesting to see if they do take legal action and what information will be released if they win their case.

https://www.racefans.net/2020/03/04/...it-settlement/
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Interesting and not at all surprising development regarding the settlement between the FIA and Ferrari. Seems that the teams are really irked about the confidentiality of the deal and are considering legal recourse. All of the non-Ferrari powered teams raised an objection. Will be interesting to see if they do take legal action and what information will be released if they win their case.

https://www.racefans.net/2020/03/04/...it-settlement/
I don't think anything will come of this, if Ferrari will prove their engine was legal which will be 'presented' that way, then the seven have a big legal bill, which will probably be funded wholly by Merc.
Then we'll have another legal challenge which may be made against the das system if it is used in Melbourne,as they say, even stevens. oh I love F1
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I don't think anything will come of this, if Ferrari will prove their engine was legal which will be 'presented' that way, then the seven have a big legal bill, which will probably be funded wholly by Merc.
Then we'll have another legal challenge which may be made against the das system if it is used in Melbourne,as they say, even stevens. oh I love F1
Impossible, as it clearly wasn't. WHich is why the statement said Ferrari and the FIA came to an agreement.

Sucks to be cheating and still not win the championship.
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Impossible, as it clearly wasn't. WHich is why the statement said Ferrari and the FIA came to an agreement.

Sucks to be cheating and still not win the championship.
Like with everything you need proof, the federation will never leave itself in a weak position.The new ruling of no covering screens in the pits is a step forward in seing what teams are up to.
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Sucks to be cheating and still not win the championship.
This is my takeaway as well. Not only not winning, but really not even having a prayer.
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Toto said that according to their telemetry they think Ferrari can lap a whole second faster. Tbh I trust Toto because I trust their data now than the Italians' messed up team!
Yeah, that's why I mentioned if someone was able to pull the best individual sector times for each driver, then compile them into a theoretical fastest lap, that might provide a clearer picture.
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Interesting and not at all surprising development regarding the settlement between the FIA and Ferrari. Seems that the teams are really irked about the confidentiality of the deal and are considering legal recourse. All of the non-Ferrari powered teams raised an objection. Will be interesting to see if they do take legal action and what information will be released if they win their case.

https://www.racefans.net/2020/03/04/...it-settlement/
It will never be released. FIA may end up telling the the other teams the details. But F1 can't take the PR hit of one of their biggest teams subverting environmental/sustainability regulations. The regs were put in to appease people going after F1 for the environmental impact of the sport. End of last year F1 announced it will work towards being carbon neutral by 2030. With that announcement and the current political climate, it wouldn't be a good look. Ferrari cheated and still lost, time to move on.

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I encourage you guys to read over the following article written by Dieter Rencken: https://www.racefans.net/2020/03/02/...is-power-unit/

He goes into some detail about why the decision was made and provides some interesting insights into the decision process. Worth a read to have all the facts before making a decision.
I don't agree with his assessment of why FIA didn't disclose what Ferrari did and how they did. It wasn't because Ferrari wanted to protect intellectual property. I am willing to bet the other teams know exactly what Ferrari were doing and a good idea how. That is why they called them out and asked FIA to step in. A company like Merc can't be caught cheating enviromental sporting regulations. German authorities just finished throwing the book at VW execs. Merc doesn't need them looking at their company with a fine tooth comb. If they cheat in F1 environmental regs, why wouldn't they cheat with the cars they sell as well.

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Interesting and not at all surprising development regarding the settlement between the FIA and Ferrari. Seems that the teams are really irked about the confidentiality of the deal and are considering legal recourse. All of the non-Ferrari powered teams raised an objection. Will be interesting to see if they do take legal action and what information will be released if they win their case.

https://www.racefans.net/2020/03/04/...it-settlement/
In short : "Last season MAX was right"

It's actually really sad that rest of the world first said that MAX was a piece of 5HIT !
That moment when MAX said : *That's what you get when you stop cheating* !
It was that moment when the Ferrari Jet-Mode suddenly disappeared .
The FIA ! C'mon guys ...

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Like with everything you need proof, the federation will never leave itself in a weak position.The new ruling of no covering screens in the pits is a step forward in seing what teams are up to.
First race at the new '2020 Zandvoort circuit ..

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First race at the new '2020 Zandvoort circuit ..

I saw it about an hour ago, the driver walked away from the totalled GT3.Must have went over 3 times at least and over the armco.
Would like to hear his explanation to team manager
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In short : "Last season MAX was right"

It's actually really sad that rest of the world first said that MAX was a piece of 5HIT !
That moment when MAX said : *That's what you get when you stop cheating* !
It was that moment when the Ferrari Jet-Mode suddenly disappeared .
The FIA ! C'mon guys ...

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My friend, in a perfect world yes but Fia have now ruled on it, no proof now it's gone with the wind.
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My friend, in a perfect world yes but Fia have now ruled on it, no proof now it's gone with the wind.
Yeah my friend . Money can buy everything !
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Yeah my friend . Money can buy everything !
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I saw it about an hour ago, the driver walked away from the totalled GT3.Must have went over 3 times at least and over the armco.
Would like to hear his explanation to team manager
The marshalls were very lucky ! The car landed only a few meters away from them !
From what I heard , one little mistake is enough in a race at the new Zandvoort and it's over and out .
The drivers said they couldn't find a good driver line in the banking .The circuit is actually really unpredictable !
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My friend, in a perfect world yes but Fia have now ruled on it, no proof now it's gone with the wind.
Corriere Dello Sport reported that Toto Wolff has evidence of Ferrari cheating since Spa(?) But he didn't present it and now he may present it because Binotto in Concorde Agreement wants no previous F1 team principal to be on Liberty Media board crushing Toto's hopes of joining Liberty Media.
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The marshalls were very lucky ! The car landed only a few meters away from them !
From what I heard , one little mistake is enough in a race at the new Zandvoort and it's over and out .
The drivers said they couldn't find a good driver line in the banking .The circuit is actually really unpredictable !
A bit like a Nascar banking, get it wrong, too much speed or too much 'wellie' and you are a passenger.
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