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Guys, denigrating Hamilton doesn't make Max a better driver. Hamilton is a generational talent and probably the best driver in the history of the sport. Max is talented but he is no Lewis. Max is 98% as good as Lewis...I really believe that. But he is not as good.

One only need look at something that a non-Lewis fan pointed out to me which I never really considered. Lewis has a record of poles that is very similar to his record of race wins. Max has 2 poles and 9 wins in his 6th season of Formula One. This is telling.

Max has yet to drive a car as bad as the MP4-24 which Lewis was saddled with in 2009 after he won his championship. The car was pronounced, "unacceptable", by Martin Whitmarsh in it's performance. Lewis managed 4 poles and 2 race wins in the car. Compare that to his team mate who only scored 19 points in the championship compared to HAMs. The Brawn and the Red Bull were like the Mercedes and Ferrari of 2018. HAM was best of the rest with 4 pole positions and 2 wins but not a single fastest lap. The car wasn't fast in race trim over a single lap. Max has never managed a season like that with better cars. Case closed.
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Vehicle dynamics suspension wise or from somewhere else. There's no way he could pull away like that just by his footwork,physics can only do so much.
So I see you're going with magical warming carpets theory.

We shall see, perhaps there will be an inquiry launched by red bull into why HAM is better than VER. They might ask if it's legal to have a better driver.

But physics is king, and any kind of theory that DAS gave Merc an edge will be quickly dismissed. Because of said physics.

Also look at lap 20-50. HAM went from 1.4s ahead to over 11. What was the magic there?

But I see you keep insisting that there was some advantage Merc car had. So let's see what inquiries other teams make. If they don't, than they also believe HAM is better. End of story.
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So I see you're going with magical warming carpets theory.

We shall see, perhaps there will be an inquiry launched by red bull into why HAM is better than VER. They might ask if it's legal to have a better driver.

But physics is king, and any kind of theory that DAS gave Merc an edge will be quickly dismissed. Because of said physics.

Also look at lap 20-50. HAM went from 1.4s ahead to over 11. What was the magic there?

But I see you keep insisting that there was some advantage Merc car had. So let's see what inquiries other teams make. If they don't, than they also believe HAM is better. End of story.
Quickly sweep under the carpet and forget.. as I said physics can only do so much and your suggesting inquiries etc.there is a reason why things happen.
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Guys, denigrating Hamilton doesn't make Max a better driver. Hamilton is a generational talent and probably the best driver in the history of the sport. Max is talented but he is no Lewis. Max is 98% as good as Lewis...I really believe that. But he is not as good.

One only need look at something that a non-Lewis fan pointed out to me which I never really considered. Lewis has a record of poles that is very similar to his record of race wins. Max has 2 poles and 9 wins in his 6th season of Formula One. This is telling.

Max has yet to drive a car as bad as the MP4-24 which Lewis was saddled with in 2009 after he won his championship. The car was pronounced, "unacceptable", by Martin Whitmarsh in it's performance. Lewis managed 4 poles and 2 race wins in the car. Compare that to his team mate who only scored 19 points in the championship compared to HAMs. The Brawn and the Red Bull were like the Mercedes and Ferrari of 2018. HAM was best of the rest with 4 pole positions and 2 wins but not a single fastest lap. The car wasn't fast in race trim over a single lap. Max has never managed a season like that with better cars. Case closed.
I wasn't old enough to watch F1 when Senna was racing. But I'm grateful I lived through Schumacher's and Hamilton's racing careers. I'm still young so maybe both their records will be broken in my lifetime.
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Vehicle dynamics suspension wise or from somewhere else. There's no way he could pull away like that just by his footwork,physics can only do so much.
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So I see you're going with magical warming carpets theory.

We shall see, perhaps there will be an inquiry launched by red bull into why HAM is better than VER. They might ask if it's legal to have a better driver.

But physics is king, and any kind of theory that DAS gave Merc an edge will be quickly dismissed. Because of said physics.

Also look at lap 20-50. HAM went from 1.4s ahead to over 11. What was the magic there?

But I see you keep insisting that there was some advantage Merc car had. So let's see what inquiries other teams make. If they don't, than they also believe HAM is better. End of story.
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Quickly sweep under the carpet and forget.. as I said physics can only do so much and your suggesting inquiries etc.there is a reason why things happen.
Yes there is a reason these things happen: Lewis Hamilton. He made the difference in 2017 and 2018 or the Ferrari's would have won the WDC. He has put in laps that are faster than the theoretical limits of the car. Multiple times. Remember the, "Stardust" lap in Singapore. The entire paddock went silent when the time was announced then everyone...including opponents, started cheering. HAM is that good. Just recognize it, @[M5theonlyone].(contact:394125)
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Yeah, like he 5H1T today, right? It's funny how you drop all this bullshit about the rain, about VER and about how Merc is scared, yet Max can't do anything but wave byebye to gapping HAM time and time again.

And he's not my guy. I was honestly hoping RIC can be on top today
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I wasn't old enough to watch F1 when Senna was racing. But I'm grateful I lived through Schumacher's and Hamilton's racing careers. I'm still young so maybe both their records will be broken in my lifetime.
I will tell my age but I started watching it in the mid-late 70s. My fav drivers are pretty much:

Hunt, Lauda, G. Villeneuve, Senna, Tambay, N. Piquet, Coulthard, MSC, HAM, RIC and Norris.

I stopped watching for a year after Gilles died and for 2 years after Senna died. I've watched HAM since 2004/5. Hamilton in the lesser formulae was sublime.

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On a positive note, wasn't it great to see my man Daniel get a podium finish at last!
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I will tell my age but I started watching it in the mid-late 70s. My fav drivers are pretty much:

Hunt, Lauda, G. Villeneuve, Senna, Tambay, N. Piquet, Coulthard, MSC, HAM, RIC and Norris.

I stopped watching for a year after Gilles died and for 2 years after Senna died. I've watched HAM since 2004/5. Hamilton in the lesser formulae was sublime.

Cheers-mk
Watching the likes of Senna, Mansell and Prost live in Detroit - when I didnít have a clue who these guys were - got me hooked.

Ham is certainly gifted.
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trying to pull a driver down that beaten Fernando Alonso in his debut F1 season who many believes and believed one of the all time best.. overtaking Alonso from outside in his first few hundred meters of his F1 career.. placing the car perfect this naturally.. well his rookie season was record breaking as well.. coincidence or the car again?
if you ignore this and believe its a luck or the car.. its just because you want to believe in that.. but its not rational.. well some people on earth believes in flying spaghetti monsters as well.. they eat only pasta after sun goes down.. no joke its real..



each race its great to watch Lewis' onboard how he change lines according to needs (much much wider line for the first corner for not locking the front right in this race for example and you can check yourself almost none of the driver did the same) , how little input he needs to put according to same car Bottas for example, how he can preserve tires without compromising the lap time.. how much more information he assess during the race according to other drivers, how he can adapt the conditions.. when Bottas is in a fight with Lewis he has to drive 110% concentration, risk and input but Lewis can keep up only with 90% while even keeping his tires in a better shape, fuel economy wise as well.. its not the car or luck.. when he goes 110% people say how he did that and its called hammertime..

building a team around you is not an easy things.. and Lewis did that just like Schumi did back in the days and Schumi as well didnt win his all races by coming from back of the grid.. cause with consistency and a great team work you dont fall back.. you cant put a foot wrong to do that driving wise.. im highly intrigued with his onboards cause there you can see why he has 91 wins 6 tittles at the moment.. it shows you the full story.. and such a humble guy saying he is still learning.. if you cant see this clear signs for many years now, either you re looking somewhere else or your eyes are closed.. nothing else..
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Nice touch that Mick Schumacher gave one of his Dads race helmets to Hamilton at the end of the post race interviews....and that Hamilton said some really nice things about MS.
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Guys, denigrating Hamilton doesn't make Max a better driver. Hamilton is a generational talent and probably the best driver in the history of the sport. Max is talented but he is no Lewis. Max is 98% as good as Lewis...I really believe that. But he is not as good.

One only need look at something that a non-Lewis fan pointed out to me which I never really considered. Lewis has a record of poles that is very similar to his record of race wins. Max has 2 poles and 9 wins in his 6th season of Formula One. This is telling.

Max has yet to drive a car as bad as the MP4-24 which Lewis was saddled with in 2009 after he won his championship. The car was pronounced, "unacceptable", by Martin Whitmarsh in it's performance. Lewis managed 4 poles and 2 race wins in the car. Compare that to his team mate who only scored 19 points in the championship compared to HAMs. The Brawn and the Red Bull were like the Mercedes and Ferrari of 2018. HAM was best of the rest with 4 pole positions and 2 wins but not a single fastest lap. The car wasn't fast in race trim over a single lap. Max has never managed a season like that with better cars. Case closed.
MP4-24 was a completely different to what they have now, a hybrid relentlessly pushed into the ring by Merc themselves that was being BUILT already in 2007. His duel with Alonso all those years back was more dare than skill and was mixed with mistakes together with the well known spy saga of the copying of Ferrari secrets mixed in with that,(£100 million fine for MM) no?
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Great picture. That's the view of the Mercs VER has pretty much all the time.
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MP4-24 was a completely different to what they have now, a hybrid relentlessly pushed into the ring by Merc themselves that was being BUILT already in 2007. His duel with Alonso all those years back was more dare than skill and was mixed with mistakes together with the well known spy saga of the copying of Ferrari secrets mixed in with that,(£100 million fine for MM) no?
No. You are incorrect. No one is that lucky all the time. And now you are just making up BS. Just say you hate the guy and move on.

This is becoming embarrassing. You are trying to find every ridiculous reason to denigrate his skill because Max is being trounced. Give it up.
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Its actually super embarrassing and sad in an amusing way.
Whole 2007 season was dare? Battling 2x world champ and kimi in a rookie season is luck yeh?

Plz stop with the Bs rumors about stuff being built 7 years prior with ZERO proof again, show us facts not madeup bedtime stories. Ill show u facts, how about 91 wins out of 264 races, and 7 time wdc. Versus 9 ? No words.
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No. You are incorrect. No one is that lucky all the time. And now you are just making up BS. Just say you hate the guy and move on.

This is becoming embarrassing. You are trying to find every ridiculous reason to denigrate his skill because Max is being trounced. Give it up.
Unfortunately you bring in the hate excuse every time a negative comment is brought in against your driver.Man up and stop bringing in the defensive comments.
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Unfortunately you bring in the hate excuse every time a negative comment is brought in against your driver.Man up and stop bringing in the defensive comments.
What else is it then if not hate? Youíll come up with any excuse or ridiculous reason when Max is flat out outdriven by Lewis. And none of them make any logical sense. So if itís not the fact you simply hate the guy (which is cool, we all have those), than was is it?

Flat earthers have their reasons too I suppose.
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What else is it then if not hate? Youíll come up with any excuse or ridiculous reason when Max is flat out outdriven by Lewis. And none of them make any logical sense. So if itís not the fact you simply hate the guy (which is cool, we all have those), than was is it?

Flat earthers have their reasons too I suppose.
Seems to me your trying to turn it all into hate with your vitriol.Take is easy and calm down.
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Seems to me your trying to turn it all into hate with your vitriol.Take is easy and calm down.
I will once you admit HAM is the superior driver. Itís not hard mate.
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I will once you admit HAM is the superior driver. Itís not hard mate.
Why,you've shown nothing but hate towards MV and you've self admitted you support no one.Mate. Don't make me laugh.
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