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😔 the M60 engine is not in its first year of use, even though it is new to the X5 lineup.
The S68, which is in the M60, has been around for over a year. Thus time has undoubtedly allowed the assembly process to be refined, thereby reducing issues seen in earlier iterations of the engine. Source: every manufacturer does this with production runs of parts. |
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Getting back to your original post, the engine in the 50e has been out for the same exact time. Obviously we are discussing a few months and it makes no difference but as with any reason, you have to decide what is important to you when making a purchase. In this case it was the perceive safety in the M60i engine.
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I actually love S65. If when opportunity comes, I will get one. Now, S85, as much as I love the V10, I don't think I have enough skill set to maintain one. Maybe I am getting old, buying new car isn't exciting for me anymore. I will still buy new because of family car. But for my own enjoyment, I am partial to the mechanical or as another member said it, analog, cars.
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The S68 in the M60 is a detuned M engine with forged internals, meaning risk is alleviated as they were able to pump out significant increases to HP and torque gains into the XM and X5M. Conversely the 50e has increased power to the B58 over the 45e, meaning risk was increased, even when accounting for the increase of power by the electric motor. Additionally, the 50e has had a large disparity in engine and drivetrain issues vs the M60i as evidenced by google searches (forums, Reddit, FB etc). TBH I’m surprised how few issues I have seen with the M60 thus far. Some of this is probably due to volume of sales, I would guess the 50e sells significantly more units than the M60. I am very happy with my selection of the M60 over the 50e, with that being said I realize either vehicle could be a lemon or have issues. Ultimately, I felt the safer option was the M60 even though the practicality of the 50e was extremely enticing. |
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Edit: Here is some information from prior to introduction on both engines. https://www.bmwblog.com/2022/04/12/bmw-b58-s68-engines/
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I was referring to the 50e as a unicorn because of its impressive combination of mpg and power in a larger SUV. From a practical standpoint it is a great vehicle. |
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PHEV is about using electricity and gas. MPG only has meaningful if you don't use electricity because electricity isn't free. For 45e at least, if you don't charge the car and use it as a hybrid, it isn't as efficient as 40i of the same generation. BMW official numbers agree with real life data as well. Now sure 50e has more efficient B58, but so as LCI 40i. I would say the apple to apple comparison on MPG, 40i will still win by the same margin. We don't have official MPG for 50e after useable HVB deplete yet. But we can easily estimate from member's trip computer reading.
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In your efforts to keep responding to posts it seems like you forgot what originally posted and your message it getting muddled with the other stuff you are posting that may be interpreted to be incorrect. We know you chose the M60i because you were more comfortable with that engine, no need to go any further. This discussion, at least my part of it, was not intended to be a which engine/drivetrain is better but rather to provide information on the engines, history, usage, etc.
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So what have we learned here: - Make sure to use the engine name and not the model of the vehicle with said engine, this apparently is a point of confusion - Using an estimation of 12 months is not accurate enough, you must use the precise timeframe, in this instance 6-8 months - Apparently BMW is the only manufacturer in the world who does not make slight adjustments between production runs without first announcing said adjustments |
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LOL Hope that makes you feel better, revisionist history usually does.
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That is the funny part, I never said that. You keep making things up in your posts. That is okay though, from your short time here it is evident you will be one of those posters who will be ignored due to posting misinformation and will eventually just leave.
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Unless your electric is free there is not much in the way of actual savings with these current PHEVs. There are several well done threads here on this forum that break down the actual costs and potential savings. Unfortunately for some there is actually no savings at all on electric. |
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Perhaps your inability to read? That post is in regards to the S68 and the B58 TU2 engines coming out last year in the X7.
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Now mpge, please do some math on how bmw come up with that number, before believing it.
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