[ltoda2nd]

Decided to get the JuiceBox 40, and now getting a few quotes on the 50A circuit add to garage.

[markallen117]

Originally Posted by wgreen71

We just bought a wall box level 2 charger for our 2022 X5. Someone told my wife that using a level 2 charger all the time will destroy the battery. Problem is that using the level 1 charger takes over 24hours to recharge from zero to full so that is not sustainable. Any ideas?

Get a 16 amp charger for quicker 110v charging -- Lectron 110V 16 Amp Level 1 EV Charger. 8 hrs or so for 0 to 100% charging as I'm experiencing.

[M4evermore]

I purchased the Tesla Mobile Connector for $275 and using the teslatap adapter. Car charges at either 240v at 16amps (if you have a 240V outlet) or 110v at 16amps. Car charged from 0 to 100% yesterday in 5 hours and 15 minutes with the 240V outlet.

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by markallen117

Get a 16 amp charger for quicker 110v charging -- Lectron 110V 16 Amp Level 1 EV Charger. 8 hrs or so for 0 to 100% charging as I'm experiencing.

16A @ 110V = 1.76kW. 0-100% in 8h is impossible for 17kWh including normal losses. ~11h is more likely. please post a screenshot in your Charging History showing this. if this is true, you've defied laws of physics

[4ML INC]

Originally Posted by ltoda2nd

Decided to get the JuiceBox 40, and now getting a few quotes on the 50A circuit add to garage.

That's what I installed last week. Did my first charge - charged at 16A and did it in about 5 hours.

[ltoda2nd]

Got mines installed last weekend also. Now waiting for the 45e in late April or early May.

[Socaldriver]

Originally Posted by m3_08

What do you use in USA to charge your x5 45e?
Does BMW include only 115v charger with the car?
Will 115v really charge the battery overnight?

I have 50A outlet in my house so should be good to go with BMW or other brand level 2 charger. Any recommendation?
Thanks

I got myself a ChargePoint in July 2021. It charges my X5 45e like a charm.

[markallen117]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

16A @ 110V = 1.76kW. 0-100% in 8h is impossible for 17kWh including normal losses. ~11h is more likely. please post a screenshot in your Charging History showing this. if this is true, you've defied laws of physics

You're correct (my bad) -- and it shows my 'rookie status' with my 45e experience.

My latest/largest charge was at nearly 10.5 hr. charge from 18% to 100% (~18 kWh total charge) using my 16 amp charger.

My only point is a 16 amp charge on a 110 volt outlet may be just fine for most if you don't need to drive the car in electric mode for ~12 hrs -- like our household.

[jad03060]

To get 16A/120vac to work, you need a dedicated 20A circuit. If you can provide that, it's certainly faster than the 10A device supplied by 60%. They supply a 10A device because many people won't have a dedicated circuit for their charging at level 1, and it would be a pain if each time you opened or closed the garage door while charging, it tripped the breaker!

A level 2 device running at 16A is over triple the speed of a 110vac device at 10A, and even faster if you have to tell the X5 to go lower because it trips the breaker (won't hurt the EVSE) on occasion because of shared devices on that circuit.

[Jeff661]

Originally Posted by jad03060

To get 16A/120vac to work, you need a dedicated 20A circuit. If you can provide that, it's certainly faster than the 10A device supplied by 60%.

Exactly my thought. Who has a dedicated 20A/110V circuit already in the garage? If you need to run a new circuit put in the highest power you can support because eventually you will be running 2 EVs off that line and the expense is mostly in the labor.

[allinon72]

It's actually quite common now in new construction to put a dedicated 20a in the garage. Realistically, even if it isn't "dedicated", as in there's more than 1 outlet, as long as that circuit isn't being used by anything else it will still work.

[jeannieliv]

What a terrific forum! Getting my x5 45e late Apr/early May and wanted to get a level 2 charger installed in advance. Learned a ton by reading all of the posts in this thread. After doing so, I think I'll go with the ChargePoint Home Flex .... overkill, I know, but futureproof. It sounds like the 14-50 Plug is marginally preferred over the 6-50 Plug, is that accurate? Thanks all!

[jad03060]

The EVSE only needs three connections, so the 6-50 is more than enough, and may be cheaper than the 14-50. If you might want to plug a dryer into it, or maybe a recreational vehicle, you would want the neutral, so it depends. That also assumes you wire it with the four wires which means that costs more. Wire that size can be over $1/foot for single conductors...maybe small in the overall scheme of things, but it also means a larger conduit if done that way. Depends on how far the run is and if you want to potentially treat it as dual purpose.

Again, though, I'd just hard wire the thing and eliminate the plug and socket entirely. If you really think you might take it with you on a trip, then the plug is preferable, but again, which one would depend on what might be at your destination. RV's tend to use a 30A circuit, and you'd overload it with that unit, well, not if you're plugging in the 45e, but it could if you plugged something else in that could draw more. Remember the 80% rule, so a 40A device needs a 50A circuit and wiring to pass code.

[jeannieliv]

Thanks for the thoughts @jad03060. You've got me thinking ... maybe the "futureproof" part of this equation should be the plug itself. Since no one really knows what the future holds with these EVSEs, and 16A is the most my G05 will allow, perhaps best to install a 240v plug and get a less expensive EVSE ($200-$300), like these (as others in this forum have recommended):

https://store.clippercreek.com/lcs-2...240v-nema-6-50

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07W7HDGH3

Is there really any value to the wifi portion of the JuiceBox/ChargePoint charger itself?

Or something like this, which for $380 (including the $150 Tesla adapter recommended by RocketBoom), gets 40 amps?
https://ev-lectron.com/collections/e...39246021591086

[jad03060]

If you put in a receptacle and use a unit with a pigtail with a plug on it, the more expensive thing could end up being the wiring to it. FWIW, you can have a larger gauge wire now than what you need for whatever you select, as it would make things probably less expensive long term as labor is expensive, but the same whether it's for a 30A circuit as a 50A one.

If you can make a wire nut connection, it's no big deal to swap in a larger unit, should you decide to later versus plugging in a new one. Should take all of five minutes once you've mounted the unit to the wall. Slower than plugging it in, but not an issue. FWIW, the spring tension on a socket tends to wear out over time with the heating/cooling caused by the current running through it, so a hardwired connection means you'll get more power through as less will be lost to heat from the plug and socket. Marginal, but as things wear out, it could be substantial heating until things melt.

[LOFT]

Originally Posted by jeannieliv

Thanks for the thoughts @jad03060. You've got me thinking ... maybe the "futureproof" part of this equation should be the plug itself. Since no one really knows what the future holds with these EVSEs, and 16A is the most my G05 will allow, perhaps best to install a 240v plug and get a less expensive EVSE ($200-$300), like these (as others in this forum have recommended):

https://store.clippercreek.com/lcs-2...240v-nema-6-50

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07W7HDGH3

Is there really any value to the wifi portion of the JuiceBox/ChargePoint charger itself?

Or something like this, which for $380 (including the $150 Tesla adapter recommended by RocketBoom), gets 40 amps?
https://ev-lectron.com/collections/e...39246021591086

Check out Grizzl-e. Made in Canada, also available on Amazon.

https://grizzl-e.com/home-products/

[FinPNW]

Even though we have a 20A circuit in our garage we decided to install the ChargePoint Home Flex, hardwired on a new 50A circuit. Our utility company made the decision easier by providing a one time rebate and a semiannual credit for participating in their demand mgmt program (which requires either the ChargePoint or Flo EVSE presently). No difference in installation cost for hardwired vs plug-in

While the ChargePoint is overkill for the 45e, it will still charge twice as fast as a 20A/120V solution and we can always switch the 45e to a 120V device in the future if we have a second EV with higher charge rate.

Now it’s a race to which shows up first, the electrician or the 45e!

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by jeannieliv

Thanks for the thoughts @jad03060. You've got me thinking ... maybe the "futureproof" part of this equation should be the plug itself. Since no one really knows what the future holds with these EVSEs, and 16A is the most my G05 will allow, perhaps best to install a 240v plug and get a less expensive EVSE ($200-$300), like these (as others in this forum have recommended):

https://store.clippercreek.com/lcs-2...240v-nema-6-50

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07W7HDGH3

Is there really any value to the wifi portion of the JuiceBox/ChargePoint charger itself?

Or something like this, which for $380 (including the $150 Tesla adapter recommended by RocketBoom), gets 40 amps?
https://ev-lectron.com/collections/e...39246021591086

i've got a clipper creek 32A level 2 NEMA 14-50 bundle (bag, cable mount, connector holster, EVSE) still under warranty (transferrable) i can let go for half what i paid
https://store.clippercreek.com/amazi...holster-bundle

[RJC]

Hi folks, what is the difference between the TeslaTap and Lectron adaptors? Just different companies making the same thing?

I currently have a NEMA 14-50 connected to a Tesla Mobile Connector.

Thanks

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by RJC

Hi folks, what is the difference between the TeslaTap and Lectron adaptors? Just different companies making the same thing?

I currently have a NEMA 14-50 connected to a Tesla Mobile Connector.

Thanks

one difference is the Tesla Tap has an IP67 rating whereas the Lectron adapter has no IP rating, and I've read about several folks' adapters malfunctioning in the rain. still, they both serve the same purpose

i think I recall someone saying you have to push 40A through one them (or both) to work properly, but no worries since the 45e on-board charger will limit the rate to 16A

[jeannieliv]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

i've got a clipper creek 32A level 2 NEMA 14-50 bundle (bag, cable mount, connector holster, EVSE) still under warranty (transferrable) i can let go for half what i paid
https://store.clippercreek.com/amazi...holster-bundle

Might be a decent option!

[magicwonder]

Looking to purchase a level 2 charger for 45e, is there a charger that would charge on specified times, my utility company offers subsidized rates from 9pm to 5am for EV charging,