[GotBeemed]

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OOOOOOOO YOU GOT EXCITED DIDN'T YOU?

So like you, I was curious about who offered a carbon-ceramic package OR if a BMW factory kit could be adapted to work on the F95/F96. Well, it turns out both are true.

Tronik Engineering has and is producing both the standard 6-pot front and 2-pot carbon-ceramic kit AND an insane 10-pot front and 4-pot rear. My basic understanding is that the 6/2 pot is made by Brembo and the 10/4 pot is made by Akebono(front) and Brembo(rear). In addition, they also make an adaptor kit that allows the F90/M5 carbon-ceramic kit to work on our F95/F96. More details on the kits are on their website.

So the next question that pops into your head is PRICE.

So the 10/4 pot depending on if you want titanium or aluminum hat for the 2-piece rotors is 27K EUR 29K US or 25K EUR 26K US.



The 6/2 pot set up, which is basically the F90/M5 kit with their adaptors is 18K US.



However, if you are crazy enough to do this and smart enough to save some money, they did suggest buying this factory BMW kit (Serial # 34-11-2-455-917) and purchasing their adaptor kit 1650.00 US shipped which includes the caliber adaptors, brake lines, and dust covers. This is a "steal" because I found the F90 kit hovering around 14K US.

Next, I would like to announce I am starting a GoFundMe campaign..........

Don't get me wrong here guys and gals, I think this is crazy all around, do I think that carbon ceramics should have been an option for us, absolutely! I am sure they may have been incorporated into the price at a cheaper rate or at least we would have been able to place the extra expense in the financing.

I am personally going to go with the low dust pad and call it a day. However, playing devil's advocate, if that pad was not available, the amount of dust that rolls off these brakes is insane! Carbons would have been a very nice addition, plus no rust.

Leave your comments/concerns below, would be interested in getting a conversation going, and hell, maybe a group buys to take off some of that sting!

https://tro-nik.ru/bmw/

https://www.bmwpartspros.com/oem-par...b3J5IFBhZ2U%3D

https://akebonobrakes.com/

[Hit_Apex]

The steel F95 are the same as the G80 steel brakes. Ceramic is an option on the G80, so they are either the same as F90 and there are OEM adapters, or they are different and should be a direct bolt on. Any thoughts on that route? It's cool there is an aftermarket adapter but there may be an all OEM solution.

[GotBeemed]

Originally Posted by Hit_Apex

The steel F95 are the same as the G80 steel brakes. Ceramic is an option on the G80, so they are either the same as F90 and there are OEM adapters, or they are different and should be a direct bolt on. Any thoughts on that route? It's cool there is an aftermarket adapter but there may be an all OEM solution.

If the G80 is the same as the F90 we would still need the aftermarket adaptor from Tronik. From speaking with Tronik, there is no OEM adaptor to allow the F90 brakes to work on the F95/F96.

Nevertheless, it is still badass that we can use the F90 kit on our F95/F96 with the adaptors/lines/dust shields available from Tronik for a marginal cost in comparison to the price of the kit from BMW or the vendor that supplies it. Also according to Tronik, there is no need for a different brake booster or computer reprogram for the traction control/abs!

Honestly, if I had the money and no other toys, I would do the modification.

Thanks for the reply.

[Silververtu]

Should I assume the 10/4 pot version are Porsche OEM ?

[GotBeemed]

Originally Posted by Silververtu

Should I assume the 10/4 pot version are Porsche OEM ?

According to Tro-nik:

"In all our kits we use OEM top components (original parts from Porsche, Mercedes-Benz, Audi), and our manufactured parts ((adaptors, tops of discs (titanium or aluminum), brake lines)) are manufactured per demand. These brake systems are not mass-produced and we need time for manufacturing (4-6 weeks after order will be approved)"

So by this statement, I think you are absolutely correct in that the main components of the kit have been made by Akebono under the contract for the other car manufacturers they mentioned. Of course, Tro-Nik gets them without the car manufacturer branding probably by there request or using a process of removal.

[x622]

If I can get a set I can make brackets and I'd be happy to open source the files. This is the one thing my X5M needs.

[GotBeemed]

Originally Posted by x622

If I can get a set I can make brackets and I'd be happy to open source the files. This is the one thing my X5M needs.

Wish I could provide

[Maverik259]

So FYI, the bmw parts kit you referenced comes with a new brake booster...so i would think yes you need to replaced the brake booster and then code the car to provide the different pressures.

F95 rotor size i believe is the same as M5 at 395/380 and racingbrake sells a stand a lone ccb rotor upgrade kit for the M5 for like $13k and it simply replaces the rotors/pads.

https://racingbrake.com/2r26/

[GotBeemed]

Originally Posted by Maverik259

So FYI, the bmw parts kit you referenced comes with a new brake booster...so i would think yes you need to replaced the brake booster and then code the car to provide the different pressures.

F95 rotor size i believe is the same as M5 at 395/380 and racingbrake sells a stand a lone ccb rotor upgrade kit for the M5 for like $13k and it simply replaces the rotors/pads.

https://racingbrake.com/2r26/

Interesting information. I simply restated what I was informed of by tro-nik. I have heard and seen on YouTube of people doing a CC upgrade on their various M vehicles under the assumption is that a bolt-on mod of rotors, calibers, and shoes and later found they had to get the booster and ECU flash to support the brakes upgrade as well.


All that being said. If humanly possible I would just want to upgrade to the CC rotors and appropriate brake shoes. Leaving all OEM stuff in place and was told this was not possible.

In regards to your discovery. If 6+K is for just one rotor, spacer and extended bolt kit, and if I x2 that. That is a rip-off. Why would I just do that if I could buy the entire CC upgrade which is calibers, rotors, pads, and dust shields for the same price? But if 6+K is for both rotors, that is a good deal. I don't see that specified.

To me, it is still unknown if a brake booster and tune are necessary because I am being told different things and the CC upgrade on the F95 is NOT a popular thing to do so not much is being said by US-based companies.

My mind is still open and I plan on giving racing brake a call and asking.

Thanks

[GotBeemed]

Made contact with them. They updated the listing to specify that the 6+K is indeed for two rotors which is a good deal. However, I proceeded to ask them what can be done for the rear. I cant see having steel in the rear and carbon in the front.....lol. Again the kit I listed about comes with 4 calibers, 4 rotors and all supported hardware except the unknown like ((brake booster, software)).

But hell if I had the money to buy I would get the entire kit, that way I could sell my stock kit for around 5-6K and make that money back on the steel stuff. That would easily cover the brake booster and any other expenses.

[Nick Daffern]

Aside from the cool factor what's the benefit? Are the steel brakes deficient somehow? The rotors on my old X5M lasted for 65k miles, always stopped the car, and didn't cost $25 grand to replace. The brakes on my new 2022 Comp seem even better.

YMMV. But, if you've got the money and this make you happy - go for it.

[B1M3]

keep in mind F95 X5 rotor hub has positive offset then F90 M5 here is video:

[GotBeemed]

another follow up so I figured that 6+K was just for the front 2 rotors. if you want the rears, (which is obvious) here is what they are saying we would need.

https://racingbrake.com/2r27/

Again, another 6+K for the rear 2. Personally, for that price point, I would rather buy the entire kit direct from BMW, and that way I could resell the entire steel setup.

[GotBeemed]

Originally Posted by Nick Daffern

Aside from the cool factor what's the benefit? Are the steel brakes deficient somehow? The rotors on my old X5M lasted for 65k miles, always stopped the car, and didn't cost $25 grand to replace. The brakes on my new 2022 Comp seem even better.

YMMV. But, if you've got the money and this make you happy - go for it.

First, this is strictly for conversation and product information to fill the void of information surrounding the topic. I personally consider the X5/X6MC to be in the "top tier" level of SUV. That being said, another SUV on the market that is at the level of performance of ours has the carbons available.

Second, there is nothing wrong with steel brakes.

Lastly, they do have advantages. One, extremely limited dust production that is typically noncorrosive, and Two, do not rust while the car sits or after washing. Three, they last longer than steel pads under high durress. Fourth, they can tolerate way more heat than steel brakes which limits brake fade.

Of course, some of these are relative, however, I do take my X5MC on the back roads and rip it hard. I notice the brakes become incredibly hot after a moderate thrashing. This has a lot to do with the vehicle's weight and the incredible power or thrust of the engine. Which again makes it a great candidate for carbon ceramics.

The brake dust is annoying however there is a great workaround available from Ben for a low dust pad, which is the route I am personally going to take. As far as the rust while sitting or after wash. I am going to use this product.

https://www.obsessedgarage.com/colle...29702915981384

I hope this sheds some light on the topic. Yes, the price for stuff like this is crazy and I understand your frustration. I cannot buy these carbon ceramics because of their ludicrous price point however I like being knowledgeable of my options and express my frustration with BMW for not providing the option to have.

[GotBeemed]

I forgot to mention that CC's are lighter than steels which makes the un-sprung massless, which equals better handling and performance.

Another disadvantage is that CCs can be affected negatively if you live in an area with long winters where strong road salts are used. But I think this could be mitigated if you have excess indoor washing throughout the long winter months.

[GotBeemed]

Originally Posted by B1M3

keep in mind F95 X5 rotor hub has positive offset then F90 M5 here is video:

Yes, tro-nik did advise that you would need to buy the brackets from them that they created to fix that issue with the X5 if you decided to buy the kit from BMW for the M5.

Cool video nevertheless. Very interesting that he advised there is no way to tune the X5M. We know there is however it does require a full DME removal and bench tune style install. Funny too that the company that does is on that side of the world as well. Interesting. Again, I am not doing but but cool to get that insight from over there.

[themnmd]

Wow nice to have but damn. It's cheaper than filling you gas tank in California 😜

[GotBeemed]

Originally Posted by themnmd

Wow nice to have but damn. It's cheaper that filling you gas tank in California 😜

So true!

[x622]

One of my friend has helped me do some digging and I can get the caliper and a steel rotor without problem, but still working on getting it with cc rotors.


These are pretty popular to slap on 911's in China.

[GotBeemed]

Originally Posted by x622

One of my friend has helped me do some digging and I can get the caliper and a steel rotor without problem, but still working on getting it with cc rotors.


These are pretty popular to slap on 911's in China.

Well if you find out how to get the CC's let us know how and price. I am assuming the calibers shown are just rebranded and made by the same manufacture as the BMW CC calibers?

[x622]

No, Akebono is the OEM Manufacturer who makes it for the VAG group, the Urus, Cayenne Turbo GT and RSQ8 all use the same caliper, with the only difference between those three cars being rotor size.

[GotBeemed]

Originally Posted by x622

No, Akebono is the OEM Manufacturer who makes it for the VAG group, the Urus, Cayenne Turbo GT and RSQ8 all use the same caliper, with the only difference between those three cars being rotor size.

The one kit that tro-nik has uses Akebono calibers with the adaptor they sell. Are you stating that these are the same that would work with ours and you may be able to source them cheaper or are you just stating that you can get the hook up for VAG models described and not BMW?

Sorry for the confusion.