[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by BDGJ

Status code is 112

Thank you, you are the first we have seen not go back to 105.

[shakading]

After reading all these messages I called to my dealership here in Belgium. They told me that the estimated delivery time is August. But they are trying to figure out if that is correct and not some sort of glitch in the system. I need to call them back end of next week.

But if it is August and you deduct 2 months of transportation you end up in May, June as production date so I tend to believe we will get MY25. But that was not confirmed by my dealership.

I ordered my X5 50e in September 2023 🙁

[sb959]

Just got off the line with Genius.

MyGarage shows "Order received" but Genius says it moved to "No production week available" yesterday (2/1). They had no extra information about why or when or whether that would change.

Order placed for 50e on 1/13 and had previously been told scheduled for Week 11.

[jfwalsh]

Ordered 12/9
Immediately had a build week of week 2

Around 12/18, build week, as with all others, got bumped to week 11.

Called genius this morning (have been doing it weekly just to make sure). Genius states. . . not scheduled for build. Back to 105. Cant provide any further info, call your dealer.

Call dealer, salesperson checks with sales manager, sales manager says, correct, no build week, looks like just going to roll you over to a 2025, and likely higher price, and likely wont be here until three months after March.

Asked if I heard her correctly that they were going to change the year, and charge me a different price than we agreed upon when placing the order. . . she was at a loss for words.

Told her to take a few days, gather all available information, but if they are going to charge me more, and delay me by a few more months, I will be taking my deposit back and looking for a different vehicle.

I was polite of course, because obviously, our salespeople aren't building these vehicles, but good grief, the lack of information coming from BMW itself is alarming, concerning, and really really underwhelming.

Its also frustrating the number of "almost exactly what I wanted" x5 50e that I turned down since placing my order, because, at least I always knew I would be getting this order in the spring. . .

This really sucks if it is correct info.

[Mac Daddy]

Originally Posted by jfwalsh

Ordered 12/9
Immediately had a build week of week 2

Around 12/18, build week, as with all others, got bumped to week 11.

Called genius this morning (have been doing it weekly just to make sure). Genius states. . . not scheduled for build. Back to 105. Cant provide any further info, call your dealer.

Call dealer, salesperson checks with sales manager, sales manager says, correct, no build week, looks like just going to roll you over to a 2025, and likely higher price, and likely wont be here until three months after March.

Asked if I heard her correctly that they were going to change the year, and charge me a different price than we agreed upon when placing the order. . . she was at a loss for words.

Told her to take a few days, gather all available information, but if they are going to charge me more, and delay me by a few more months, I will be taking my deposit back and looking for a different vehicle.

I was polite of course, because obviously, our salespeople aren't building these vehicles, but good grief, the lack of information coming from BMW itself is alarming, concerning, and really really underwhelming.

Its also frustrating the number of "almost exactly what I wanted" x5 50e that I turned down since placing my order, because, at least I always knew I would be getting this order in the spring. . .

This really sucks if it is correct info.

I feel your pain. I was in a similar situation 2 years ago with my M3. They kept delaying my build, and got bumped to the new model year with a $3k increase in price.

Don't blame your dealer or sales manager - they get invoiced for the car based on its MSRP. My advice would be to wait until you officially get bumped to 2025 and to see what the price is, then call Genius and explain your very legitimate complaint. As calbears says, usually BMW (as in BMWNA) will make allowances in these cases.

[jfwalsh]

Originally Posted by Mac Daddy

I feel your pain. I was in a similar situation 2 years ago with my M3. They kept delaying my build, and got bumped to the new model year with a $3k increase in price.

Don't blame your dealer or sales manager - they get invoiced for the car based on its MSRP. My advice would be to wait until you officially get bumped to 2025 and to see what the price is, then call Genius and explain your very legitimate complaint. As calbears says, usually BMW (as in BMWNA) will make allowances in these cases.

Thank you. Sounds like a plan.

If it is only a one month delay and the price can stay the same, then sounds good. Otherwise, im kinda out. . .

[johnonroad]

Originally Posted by BDGJ

We just got a date for our PCD so status seems right.

Congrats. Can you tell us when you placed your order? My Dec order keeps getting pushed back.

[BDGJ]

December 11.

[davchr]

MY SA just sent me a copy of a memo from BMW that says:

1. supply limitations delay X50e production
2. MY24 production that cannot be fullffilled (105 status) will be replaced MY25 production
3. Non P1 orders will be replaced with MY25 xDrive50e, however it will not be the same build specification and will no be eligible for price protection.
4. if the customer would rather not wait they can switch to a X5 40i.

I have paraphrased these items. See the attachment for the actual memo.
My SA did comment that I seem to get information faster that he does. For that my thanks go to Turtle Boy and others on this forum.

I figured out how to do an attachment and included a copy of the memo.

[shakading]

Originally Posted by davchr

MY SA just sent me a copy of a letter from BMW that says:

1. supply limitations delay X50e production
2. MY24 production that cannot be fullffilled (105 status) will be replaced MY25 production
3. "...these orders will be replaced with MY25 xDrive50e, however it will not be the same build specification and will no be eligible for price protection."
4. if the customer would rather not wait they can switch to a X5 40i.

Except for #3 in quotes I have paraphrased the other items.
My SA did comment that I seem to get information faster that he does. For that my thanks go to Turtle Boy and others on this forum.

I figured out how to do an attachment and included a copy of the letter.

Thanks for sharing! But can they really demand additional costs? IMO the order form is a legaly binding agreement. I would think that they need to swallow the additional costs?

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by shakading

Thanks for sharing! But can they really demand additional costs? IMO the order form is a legaly binding agreement. I would think that they need to swallow the additional costs?

Of course they can. There is nothing legally binding about order forms. When your vehicle arrives your dealer can decide to charge you more for it, it has happened quite often.

Keep in mind that the rules are much different in the US versus other countries. In some of our states it is actually illegal to have a legally binding agreement prior to delivery of the vehicle.

[shakading]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Of course they can. There is nothing legally binding about order forms. When your vehicle arrives your dealer can decide to charge you more for it, it has happened quite often.

Not in Belgium there are specific consumer laws that protect us from this. Basically the price on the order form is final and can’t be altered after signing. It might be country specific. Anyway I hope I can arrange something with my dealer. So I will update you as I have more details 😄

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by davchr

MY SA just sent me a copy of a letter from BMW that says:

1. supply limitations delay X50e production
2. MY24 production that cannot be fullffilled (105 status) will be replaced MY25 production
3. "...these orders will be replaced with MY25 xDrive50e, however it will not be the same build specification and will no be eligible for price protection."
4. if the customer would rather not wait they can switch to a X5 40i.

Except for #3 in quotes I have paraphrased the other items.
My SA did comment that I seem to get information faster that he does. For that my thanks go to Turtle Boy and others on this forum.

I figured out how to do an attachment and included a copy of the letter.

Thanks for the info. Just to clarify. Priority 1 orders will be built as ordered and have price protection Non-P1's are the ones that can have the specs changed and not eligible for price protection. Priority 1 orders are customer orders and Priority 3 are for dealer stock.

[shakading]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Thanks for the info. Just to clarify. Priority 1 orders will be built as ordered and have price protection Non-P1's are the ones that can have the specs changed and not eligible for price protection. Priority 1 orders are customer orders and Priority 3 are for dealer stock.

So all customer orders are p1 orders? Maybe a stupid question but I’m new in this matter.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by shakading

So all customer orders are p1 orders? Maybe a stupid question but I’m new in this matter.

In the US they are, would assume in other countries. Keep in mind that that mini only applies to the US. You will need to see what is being done for your order.

[shakading]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

In the US they are, would assume in other countries. Keep in mind that that mini only applies to the US. You will need to see what is being done for your order.

Yeah I’m hoping nothing changes to my build and the price is the same. Hopefully they also fixed the CEL issues in MY25. But as soon I hear anything I will share this with you. Might be usefull for other people (especially in the EU)

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by shakading

Yeah I’m hoping nothing changes to my build and the price is the same. Hopefully they also fixed the CEL issues in MY25. But as soon I hear anything I will share this with you. Might be usefull for other people (especially in the EU)

Sounds good, good luck.

[AidenL]

Originally Posted by shakading

After reading all these messages I called to my dealership here in Belgium. They told me that the estimated delivery time is August. But they are trying to figure out if that is correct and not some sort of glitch in the system. I need to call them back end of next week.

But if it is August and you deduct 2 months of transportation you end up in May, June as production date so I tend to believe we will get MY25. But that was not confirmed by my dealership.

I ordered my X5 50e in September 2023 🙁

I ordered in September 23 also, was promised production January, March delivery, then slipped to end of May, week 21.

It could be August for me now too at this rate, our delivery timescales would be similiar.

[amunawar28]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Assuming you have a 50e, you won't see any difference. From the data we currently have, they have halted production of the 50e's and all current orders will be moved to MY25. Still looking for any outliers to that.

Spoke to the dealer today. They confirmed my order went back to a 105 because it’s pushed to MY 2025. He also mentioned that I don’t have price protection and I’d have to pay any price difference.

I’m waiting to hear back on if I have the same/new allocation/production week and if there is a price difference, how much.

Question for folks here, how does this work if I had an allocation? Do I keep it, get assigned a new production week, thus ensuring a price lock? Or would I get issued a new allocation and be asked to pay the difference?

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by amunawar28

Spoke to the dealer today. They confirmed my order went back to a 105 because it’s pushed to MY 2025. He also mentioned that I don’t have price protection and I’d have to pay any price difference.

I’m waiting to hear back on if I have the same/new allocation/production week and if there is a price difference, how much.

Question for folks here, how does this work if I had an allocation? Do I keep it, get assigned a new production week, thus ensuring a price lock? Or would I get issued a new allocation and be asked to pay the difference?

For clarity, you have priced protection from BMW but you don't from the dealer. In other words, BMW will not charge the dealer any extra due to the vehicle being MY25. We would hope all dealers would pass that savings along to customers but some may not. You should let the dealer no that you expect to have the price be the same as you agreed to.

You won't hear anything as far as getting a MY25 production number until allocations come out and the end of the month/beg of March.

[45e X5]

Am I right in thinking that the MY25 and Code 105 is only affecting orders for the USA? I could be wrong though. Mine is still Status 111 with a new production Date of May I’m in Europe. It was Week 10 but now May production showing.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by 45e X5

Am I right in thinking that the MY25 and Code 105 is only affecting orders for the USA? I could be wrong though. Mine is still Status 111 with a new production Date of May I’m in Europe. It was Week 10 but now May production showing.

Just a minute ago I posted that observation in another thread. I do not recall seeing any non-US order being pushed to 105.