[malvern_man]

Originally Posted by I2P

Can anyone in Europe make a short video of the rear of the G05 with turn signal flashing and then applying the brake?

I'm in the UK, the turn signal flashes orange, when you put your foot on the brake the turn signal flashes orange and the red brake lights come on, as is the law in the UK.

Just to clarify...the turn signal (flashing) and the brake lights (static) are both on at the same time, one orange and one red.

[I2P]

Originally Posted by malvern_man

I'm in the UK, the turn signal flashes orange, when you put your foot on the brake the turn signal flashes orange and the red brake lights come on, as is the law in the UK.

Just to clarify...the turn signal (flashing) and the brake lights (static) are both on at the same time, one orange and one red.

So is one for brake and one for turn since there are two in the rear light?

[scungilio]

This is clearly another instance where it would best if there were an international standard.

[malvern_man]

Originally Posted by I2P

So is one for brake and one for turn since there are two in the rear light?

The middle part of the rear light cluster is for the amber turn signal and the top and bottom sections are for the red brake lights.

[jad03060]

There has been talk for years about standardizing vehicles so if it is legal in one of the 'group', it can be legally sold in the others, but trying to get DOT and the NHTSA to agree on anything that's not invented here is a really tough sell.

[CUPID G05 X5]

I have a 2020 x5 g05 with amber turn signal I got them from off eBay company is euroactive on eBay I paid $1,800.00

[MichaelScott in IL]

Originally Posted by CUPID G05 X5

I have a 2020 x5 g05 with amber turn signal I got them from off eBay company is euroactive on eBay I paid $1,800.00

Thanks for chiming in.

What else was required, after you installed the new parts?

If we could get all the exact coding that is needed, we would be set!

Please share, if you handled it yourself.

Or if you could get back in touch with the coder to ask, it would help move the ball forward.

[I2P]

Originally Posted by malvern_man

The middle part of the rear light cluster is for the amber turn signal and the top and bottom sections are for the red brake lights.

For the US version (2022 X5 xDrive 40i), the outside LEDs are night lights. The two lines of LEDs are used for the brake and turn signals. When I am braking for a left turn, the two LED lines solid on (showing the X5 is braking). As soon as I continue braking and turn on the left turn signal, the solid red turns to flashing red. At this time, the red brake LEDs are only showing on the right side and the 3rd brake light.

[AGONXF30]

Originally Posted by CUPID G05 X5

I have a 2020 x5 g05 with amber turn signal I got them from off eBay company is euroactive on eBay I paid $1,800.00

What did you code to get it to work?

[AGONXF30]

I found this below in the G20 forum. I want to at least separate the turn from the brakes in the G05 with the US tails to see if it works.

“Body Domain Control Menu, Expert mode change everything below as stated previously.

LIC_FEATURE_14 enable -> disable
LIC_NIVEAU_OVVERRIDE_INDEX G20_US_code2 -> G22_ECE_code2
LIC_NIVEAU_OVVERRIDE_DATA_0 G20_US_code2 -> G20_ECE_code1
LIC_LOG_LAMP_2_PHYS_LAMP_INDEX G20_US_code1 -> G20_ECE_code1
LIC_LOG_LAMP_2_PHYS_LAMP_DATA G20_US_code1 -> G20_ECE_code1
LIC_EDGE_CUTTER_RULE_ASSIGNMENT G20_US_code -> G20_ECE_code

And then go ahead and execute the coding.

Now this is the step that we all have been missing.

Once you are done with above coding, do not touch anything and go back to the expert mode and pull up

LICVERSIONDATA

Bimmer code has different values added to this list after you code above which were not present before or if you do all the coding at once. Based on the actual codes that larrylam646 & moproblems provided, I scrolled through the entire list and found values that matched their data around 98%. Following values were provided for by Larry and Moproblems:

71,14,09,02,08,44,06,4F,00,0A,14,02,B4,C8,02,F0,0F ,3E,D4,2C,27,32,03,03,07,02,28,78,3F,EF,16,0C,04,0 A,27,0F,77

I studied the entire list carefully and what I ended up choosing was the only set of data that started with 71, 14 and 09 which is identified as UNKNOWN_28 in my case (based on your vehicle's options your UNKNOWN number might be different) (Pay attention to the values!). The rest of the data on Bimmer code under any of the other UNKNOWNS were not even a close match and there was only one set of data that started with 71 in my case. “


In the G05 I see in bimmer code:

LIC_FEATURE_14 enable
LIC_NIVEAU_OVVERRIDE_INDEX G05_US_code2
LIC_NIVEAU_OVVERRIDE_DATA_0 G15_US_code1 (Two G15 are selected or checked)
LIC_LOG_LAMP_2_PHYS_LAMP_INDEX Unassigned Value
LIC_LOG_LAMP_2_PHYS_LAMP_DATA Unassigned Value
LIC_EDGE_CUTTER_RULE_ASSIGNMENT G05_US_code (Along with a slew of other items checked)

My issues is that unassigned values vanish after you select anything else and the only way to revert it is to back it up. In a previous post someone commented they have euro tails working and I would like to know what they coded, if they did the coding. I want to code my US light to split the brake light from the turn signal and I believe its possible, just like it is for the G20.

[jnmit12]

Originally Posted by AGONXF30

I found this below in the G20 forum. I want to at least separate the turn from the brakes in the G05 with the US tails to see if it works.

“Body Domain Control Menu, Expert mode change everything below as stated previously.

LIC_FEATURE_14 enable -> disable
LIC_NIVEAU_OVVERRIDE_INDEX G20_US_code2 -> G22_ECE_code2
LIC_NIVEAU_OVVERRIDE_DATA_0 G20_US_code2 -> G20_ECE_code1
LIC_LOG_LAMP_2_PHYS_LAMP_INDEX G20_US_code1 -> G20_ECE_code1
LIC_LOG_LAMP_2_PHYS_LAMP_DATA G20_US_code1 -> G20_ECE_code1
LIC_EDGE_CUTTER_RULE_ASSIGNMENT G20_US_code -> G20_ECE_code

And then go ahead and execute the coding.

Now this is the step that we all have been missing.

Once you are done with above coding, do not touch anything and go back to the expert mode and pull up

LICVERSIONDATA

Bimmer code has different values added to this list after you code above which were not present before or if you do all the coding at once. Based on the actual codes that larrylam646 & moproblems provided, I scrolled through the entire list and found values that matched their data around 98%. Following values were provided for by Larry and Moproblems:

71,14,09,02,08,44,06,4F,00,0A,14,02,B4,C8,02,F0,0F ,3E,D4,2C,27,32,03,03,07,02,28,78,3F,EF,16,0C,04,0 A,27,0F,77

I studied the entire list carefully and what I ended up choosing was the only set of data that started with 71, 14 and 09 which is identified as UNKNOWN_28 in my case (based on your vehicle's options your UNKNOWN number might be different) (Pay attention to the values!). The rest of the data on Bimmer code under any of the other UNKNOWNS were not even a close match and there was only one set of data that started with 71 in my case. “


In the G05 I see in bimmer code:

LIC_FEATURE_14 enable
LIC_NIVEAU_OVVERRIDE_INDEX G05_US_code2
LIC_NIVEAU_OVVERRIDE_DATA_0 G15_US_code1 (Two G15 are selected or checked)
LIC_LOG_LAMP_2_PHYS_LAMP_INDEX Unassigned Value
LIC_LOG_LAMP_2_PHYS_LAMP_DATA Unassigned Value
LIC_EDGE_CUTTER_RULE_ASSIGNMENT G05_US_code (Along with a slew of other items checked)

My issues is that unassigned values vanish after you select anything else and the only way to revert it is to back it up. In a previous post someone commented they have euro tails working and I would like to know what they coded, if they did the coding. I want to code my US light to split the brake light from the turn signal and I believe its possible, just like it is for the G20.

After months of searching and inconsistent guidance, I did this conversion from US to EU Taillights. The US wiring diagram is wrong (intentionally?). An additional control wire needs to be routed to each tail light from the BDC in order to separate the turn & brake signals... The official diagrams from BMW for US spec cars show this wire is already there.

[AGONXF30]

Originally Posted by jnmit12

After months of searching and inconsistent guidance, I did this conversion from US to EU Taillights. The US wiring diagram is wrong (intentionally?). An additional control wire needs to be routed to each tail light from the BDC in order to separate the turn & brake signals... The official diagrams from BMW for US spec cars show this wire is already there.

So the G20 does not need a cable/wire, but the G05 does?

[jnmit12]

Originally Posted by AGONXF30

So the G20 does not need a cable/wire, but the G05 does?

G02 (x4) did need wiring - there is a nice video on Youtube addressing this. I checked the BMW wiring diagrams for the G05 and was happy to see the same wires were present as in the EU version. That info, coupled with assurances from European conversion shops led me astray for many months. Only once I decided to investigate myself did I see the issue.
No idea regarding the G20, but it is not a big deal to remove the taillight and/or interior trim to count the wires connected. Compare to the EU wiring diagram to get your answer. If wiring is needed, it isn't terribly difficult/technical to install - just a pain to remove interior trim and makes connections to the BDC.

[AGONXF30]

Originally Posted by jnmit12

G02 (x4) did need wiring - there is a nice video on Youtube addressing this. I checked the BMW wiring diagrams for the G05 and was happy to see the same wires were present as in the EU version. That info, coupled with assurances from European conversion shops led me astray for many months. Only once I decided to investigate myself did I see the issue.
No idea regarding the G20, but it is not a big deal to remove the taillight and/or interior trim to count the wires connected. Compare to the EU wiring diagram to get your answer. If wiring is needed, it isn't terribly difficult/technical to install - just a pain to remove interior trim and makes connections to the BDC.

You are slightly contradicting yourself. You said earlier the G05 needed the BDC to tail connections, but in the post above you said the wiring diagram from US is the same as EU.

So what is it? Does the G05 need or does not need the connection? Which means that the EU tails are different and have a different connection.

Have you tried the G20 code in the G05?

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by AGONXF30

You are slightly contradicting yourself. You said earlier the G05 needed the BDC to tail connections, but in the post above you said the wiring diagram from US is the same as EU.

So what is it? Does the G05 need or does not need the connection? Which means that the EU tails are different and have a different connection.

In a post earlier he said the wiring diagram for the US is incorrect. It shows the control wire but the wire is not physically present in the vehicle.

[jnmit12]

Originally Posted by AGONXF30

You are slightly contradicting yourself. You said earlier the G05 needed the BDC to tail connections, but in the post above you said the wiring diagram from US is the same as EU.

So what is it? Does the G05 need or does not need the connection? Which means that the EU tails are different and have a different connection.

Have you tried the G20 code in the G05?

I found that the diagrams were very similar and showed that both EU & US had all wires needed for a swap. This lead me down the wrong path for months as I later discovered the US diagrams were wrong.

I finally completed a successful conversion by adding wires to my US spec car. (previously had third party homologation shop attempting conversion)
The taillights have the same connectors and appear identical from the box. Internal differences allow the EU version to separate the brake and signal sections to operate independently (with amber & red color)

[MichaelScott in IL]

Originally Posted by jnmit12

I finally completed a successful conversion by adding wires to my US spec car. (previously had third party homologation shop attempting conversion)
The taillights have the same connectors and appear identical from the box. Internal differences allow the EU version to separate the brake and signal sections to operate independently (with amber & red color)

Progress! Glad to hear this.

Did you use BMW parts for the wires and pins? If so, what are the part numbers?

What coding steps did you take?

If you have the time, would you please give us a more detailed write-up with pics and/or video?

[jnmit12]

Originally Posted by MichaelScott in IL

Progress! Glad to hear this.

Did you use BMW parts for the wires and pins? If so, what are the part numbers?

What coding steps did you take?

If you have the time, would you please give us a more detailed write-up with pics and/or video?

Sorry - I didn't have time to document, and figured it out as I went. I used a third party for remote coding - many are available.

I bought some standard pins online many months prior for the shop to use. Luckily they were still in the glove box when I retrieved the car to do it myself. I'm sorry - I don't recall the part number, but they were easy to locate and I bought them after looking for about 5 minutes. Your dealer will likely have some in stock also.

When I did the wiring, I was on a tight schedule, visiting France for only a couple days (where I keep this car). Stores were not opne, so I was stuck using slightly heavier gauged wire than normal. Make sure you have automotive stranded wire on-hand before starting.

95% of the job is removal & reinstallation of interior panels/seats/carpet. Naturally I broke several trim clips and got replacements from the closest dealer after-the-fact (to eliminate rattles etc). I got some hints on disassembly sequence searching for workshop manuals online.

Connections to make:
Outer Left Light: Pin 4 to BDC 5B Pin 19
Inner Left Light: Pin 4 to BDC 3B Pin 50

Outer Right Light: Pin 4 to BDC 5B Pin 11
Inner Right Light: Pin 4 to BDC 3B Pin 38

[jnmit12]

Also, Fast400 made this video of his X4 taillight conversion, that got me started on the whole project:

I got schematics on BMWtis: https://bmwtechinfo.bmwgroup.com/

[jnmit12]

A few pics I found on my phone:

[jnmit12]

More pics:

[AGONXF30]

Originally Posted by jnmit12

I found that the diagrams were very similar and showed that both EU & US had all wires needed for a swap. This lead me down the wrong path for months as I later discovered the US diagrams were wrong.

I finally completed a successful conversion by adding wires to my US spec car. (previously had third party homologation shop attempting conversion)
The taillights have the same connectors and appear identical from the box. Internal differences allow the EU version to separate the brake and signal sections to operate independently (with amber & red color)

OK cool, Thank you for clarifying. So, in my opinion, this is not worth doing unless I get the Euro Tails. I have done the wiring in other cars for similar reasons, but I am going to skip on this one for now.