[SJW]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

Remember you can also set up a custom performance mode in “Sport Individual”.

I drive mostly in Sport Individual with engine in "Sport Plus" and the remaining in "Sport." Stops the aggressive downshifting the "Sport Plus" for the transmission features.

[Qsilver7]

Since this is a G series forum...I'm not sure if anything is different or how much anything is different...but in the chart below (from one of the f30 forums)...you can see how the two features (driving experience button) and the D/S/M (drive/sport/manual) gear lever gate position affects the car's chassis (suspension/dampers/etc) and the transmission's shifting patterns.

Also as mentioned/discovered in this thread...some BMW models will have two sport driving experience modes...SPORT & SPORT+. The latter (sport+) usually turns off DSC automatically and puts the car in DTC mode (dynamic stability control nanny is reduced)...and some cars also have two comfort modes...COMFORT & COMFORT+...but that wasn't listed on the chart:

https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...postcount=68):

[mobilejo]

Originally Posted by Qsilver7

The latter (sport+) usually turns off DSC automatically and puts the car in DTC mode (dynamic stability control nanny is reduced)...and some cars also have two comfort modes...COMFORT & COMFORT+...but that wasn't listed on the chart:

G series sport+ does not turn off DSC and put the car in DTC mode anymore - that was in the previous generations.

Also, G series cars no longer have comfort+, that was also in previous generations.

[TrollingCavalier]

Originally Posted by mobilejo

G series sport+ does not turn off DSC and put the car in DTC mode anymore - that was in the previous generations.

Also, G series cars no longer have comfort+, that was also in previous generations.

Guess they worry about the safety of these not so skilled bmw drivers

[mobilejo]

Originally Posted by TrollingCavalier

Guess they worry about the safety of these not so skilled bmw drivers

Fair assessment

But to be fair to BMW, you can still turn off DSC and turn on DTC manually if you want it that way. They have just made it so now you have the choice.

Previously, there was no choice. If you selected sport+, you could not turn DSC back on.

I'm all for giving us more options and not 'bundling' settings together.

It will certainly avoid anyone hitting sport+, coming unstuck and then blaming BMW because they didn't know that DSC was turned off automatically

[TrollingCavalier]

Originally Posted by mobilejo

Fair assessment

But to be fair to BMW, you can still turn off DSC and turn on DTC manually if you want it that way. They have just made it so now you have the choice.

Previously, there was no choice. If you selected sport+, you could not turn DSC back on.

I'm all for giving us more options and not 'bundling' settings together.

It will certainly avoid anyone hitting sport+, coming unstuck and then blaming BMW because they didn't know that DSC was turned off automatically

I mean for sport + mode, people should understand how extreme this mode is just by the name of it and handle the car accordingly.

I understand that for some people who don't drive cars that often may not know their own car that well, but hey losing control of the car while flooring is just sounds so stupid to me
So I would not "blame" bmw for not telling the driver the risk of sport+mode in the first place. For some people, giving them a lambo plus slick tyres they will still end up in walls or fences or whatever.

And these people are giving us BMW drivers a bad name.

[mobilejo]

Originally Posted by TrollingCavalier

I mean for sport + mode, people should understand how extreme this mode is just by the name of it and handle the car accordingly.

I understand that for some people who don't drive cars that often may not know their own car that well, but hey losing control of the car while flooring is just sounds so stupid to me
So I would not "blame" bmw for not telling the driver the risk of sport+mode in the first place. For some people, giving them a lambo plus slick tyres they will still end up in walls or fences or whatever.

And these people are giving us BMW drivers a bad name.

I agree with you, but common sense isn't all that common. Corporations these days tend to think "what would happen if we gave this to a total idiot?" and work from there

[eagle_bmw]

Originally Posted by thereef510

We also have the xline, not the msport. I think I also saw this in my manual but I'll try it tomorrow. Is there an indicator in the instrument cluster to confirm sport+?

Yup. You should see it changing in the IC.

[nvsocr7]

I can feel a tangible difference between sport and sport plus,especially the reduction in sideways lean during corners. Sport individual however just feels like sport no matter what. I don't understand the chart posted, seems like sport and sport plus are the same? Does sport plus firm the suspension even more than sport?

[TrollingCavalier]

Originally Posted by nvsocr7

I can feel a tangible difference between sport and sport plus,especially the reduction in sideways lean during corners. Sport individual however just feels like sport no matter what. I don't understand the chart posted, seems like sport and sport plus are the same? Does sport plus firm the suspension even more than sport?

Well speaking of this I tried sports individual today.
So everything except suspension and steering(like engine, transmission) has three options: Sport+, sport or comfort.
While suspension only has two options: comfort and sport.
So I am not so sure about 50i and m50i, but 40i suspension probably only has two settings after all.

I might be wrong tho, BMW always like to NOT tell you about everything, sometimes it feels like they INTENTIONALLY left bits and pieces of information "hidden" from us

[sahajesh]

Originally Posted by Heavyd

Does a 45e have a sport+ mode?

If you get people to push the car then yes

[karateboi87]

My 40i only has 1000 miles so I haven't done any sports mode driving but I did play with the sport individual (Turned the engine/transmission to "comfort" and sports on other things"). Man does the suspension feels so much better when turning. I felt no body lean, of course that's not me taking 40 mph turns

I will say the X5 has a surprisingly firm ride (still comfy though), because driving on the same crappy road in Chicago, some of the bumps and broken pavement is kinda hard hitting, more so than my old 5 series before the X5.

[mobilejo]

Originally Posted by karateboi87

My 40i only has 1000 miles so I haven't done any sports mode driving but I did play with the sport individual (Turned the engine/transmission to "comfort" and sports on other things"). Man does the suspension feels so much better when turning. I felt no body lean, of course that's not me taking 40 mph turns

I will say the X5 has a surprisingly firm ride (still comfy though), because driving on the same crappy road in Chicago, some of the bumps and broken pavement is kinda hard hitting, more so than my old 5 series before the X5.

What size wheels and run-flat or non-runflat tyres on your X5? And what did you have on your old 5 series?

[karateboi87]

Originally Posted by mobilejo

What size wheels and run-flat or non-runflat tyres on your X5? And what did you have on your old 5 series?

Standard 19 inch RF. I had 17 inch non-RF on the F10.

[bubbahead]

Double the pleasure especially if you have Msport Exhaust. Sounds awesome!

[doctorttt]

I just picked my G06 up like two days ago, and it is my first BMW. I switched her to Sport Plus mode but didn't feel much except the steering wheel was a bit more stiff. What do I need to do to test the Sport Plus mode? I only have like 45 miles on the odo, so I'm far from break in.

[mobilejo]

Originally Posted by doctorttt

I just picked my G06 up like two days ago, and it is my first BMW. I switched her to Sport Plus mode but didn't feel much except the steering wheel was a bit more stiff. What do I need to do to test the Sport Plus mode? I only have like 45 miles on the odo, so I'm far from break in.

Don't bother until you're ready to drive hard, which BMW recommends is after 1200 miles. Whether you follow the break in advice of course is your choice, but I would say at 45 miles the engine is way too tight regardless.

Mine really didn't perform as it should until around 500 miles and still felt faster at 1400 miles than it did at 500.

Sport+ really only needs you to drive very hard to test it. Then do the same in comfort mode. You will feel & hear the difference.

[mobilejo]

Originally Posted by karateboi87

Standard 19 inch RF. I had 17 inch non-RF on the F10.

That will make a big difference. 17" non-RFT is the comfort combo. RFT on anything not so much.

I swapped my 21" RFT Pzero for non-RFT P zero - it is much more comfortable over broken road surfaces. Now I just drive over them rather than around the small breaks in the road. Added benefit of better steering feel too.

[karateboi87]

Originally Posted by mobilejo

That will make a big difference. 17" non-RFT is the comfort combo. RFT on anything not so much.

I swapped my 21" RFT Pzero for non-RFT P zero - it is much more comfortable over broken road surfaces. Now I just drive over them rather than around the small breaks in the road. Added benefit of better steering feel too.

No no I get that, but 19 is the lowest (meaning you have the most sidewall), combined with air suspension I would have expected it to not be a firm shock going through road bumps. I can't imagine those with 20/21 inch wheels that have thin profiles and M sport suspensions...

[mobilejo]

Originally Posted by karateboi87

No no I get that, but 19 is the lowest (meaning you have the most sidewall), combined with air suspension I would have expected it to not be a firm shock going through road bumps. I can't imagine those with 20/21 inch wheels that have thin profiles and M sport suspensions...

Unfortunately, I have not come across anything yet that can really mitigate the rigid sidewall of RFT tyres and the effect that has when you hit a pothole - no wheel size and no suspension system. They can help, and RFT technology has improved a lot, but we are still not at a point where RFT's are 'undetectable'. I always find RFT tyres to be the biggest enemy for me personally.

I went from 19" RFT to 20" with non RFT on 2 previous 5 series (F10 and G30). Both times, despite losing sidewall, the comfort improved a lot.

[karateboi87]

Originally Posted by mobilejo

Unfortunately, I have not come across anything yet that can really mitigate the rigid sidewall of RFT tyres and the effect that has when you hit a pothole - no wheel size and no suspension system. They can help, and RFT technology has improved a lot, but we are still not at a point where RFT's are 'undetectable'. I always find RFT tyres to be the biggest enemy for me personally.

I went from 19" RFT to 20" with non RFT on 2 previous 5 series (F10 and G30). Both times, despite losing sidewall, the comfort improved a lot.

That I agree.. I will consider switching out to non-RFT when these tires go. It'll be cheaper and a better ride.

[:chesmu:]

I applied my sport individual settings and I have to admit the thing takes off and feels totally different.