[Zero Boss]

Just wanted to post this really good article on manual vs. dct transmission for everyone to read.

http://editorial.autos.msn.com/artic...umentid=656470

[ska///235i]

true...but if you look at all the formula 1 racing, there aint no shift sticks anymore
all paddles

this applies to americans, everyone drives a big SUV..fat, lazy
who the hell drives a stick here

Originally Posted by Laszlo

How can you take an article like this seriously? It's written by someone who knows nothing about cars and second is geared toward joe-consumer. I do believe the manual is on its way out - who wants all that extra effort... especially the younger gens. But autos will always blow IMO.

[MMMazing07]

driver involvement VS Quicker 0-100mph

DCT is a really neat tranny. but its all personal preference. Id much rather have a better driving experience than just to be a little faster

[josephr25]

Originally Posted by ska325xi

true...but if you look at all the formula 1 racing, there aint no shift sticks anymore
all paddles

this applies to americans, everyone drives a big SUV..fat, lazy
who the hell drives a stick here

Just to throw the discussion off-topic, it was John Barnard with Ferrari who invented the paddle shifters. Ironically, it was to create a more aero-efficient car through a narrower cockpit, rather than speed up gear changes.

Sadly manuals are on the way out, but I will order one whenever the option is available.

[MontegoblueE92]

Originally Posted by ska325xi

true...but if you look at all the formula 1 racing, there aint no shift sticks anymore
all paddles

this applies to americans, everyone drives a big SUV..fat, lazy
who the hell drives a stick here

First off, you can't really stack a vehicle that is the pinnacle of automotive engineering against a daily driver. F1 cars are designed to be as fast as possible. I don't think Lewis Hamilton would ask for a stick shift for a more involving experience.

I on the other hand, would prefer a stick to know that I have absolute control and when I launch or race another car, it's me doing it. Not a computer. I can't imagine driving my car without a 6MT.

[ska///235i]

I totally agree, My first car was a stick..it was the cheapest car i ever had but it was the most fun
I really want a stick for my next car
but financee can't drive stick

Originally Posted by MontegoblueE92

First off, you can't really stack a vehicle that is the pinnacle of automotive engineering against a daily driver. F1 cars are designed to be as fast as possible. I don't think Lewis Hamilton would ask for a stick shift for a more involving experience.

I on the other hand, would prefer a stick to know that I have absolute control and when I launch or race another car, it's me doing it. Not a computer. I can't imagine driving my car without a 6MT.

[UltimateBMW]

Here is a question.

If you could buy a car with a normal 6MT stick shifter, but no clutch pedal, would you?

Basically it would be a DCT with a 6MT gear interface, would you still pick a 6MT or would you get this new hybrid. (Lets also say the shift times are as fast as you can throw the shifter into a new gear.)

I feel like this would be the best solution. You wouldn't need software to determine the gear, the user still dictates that. All the software would do is auto engage and disengage the clutch, and it would be triggered off of the shifter's movement. As soon as the knob leaves one notch it goes to neutral, soon as it enters another it engages that gear.

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by UltimateBMW

Here is a question.

If you could buy a car with a normal 6MT stick shifter, but no clutch pedal, would you?

Basically it would be a DCT with a 6MT gear interface, would you still pick a 6MT or would you get this new hybrid. (Lets also say the shift times are as fast as you can throw the shifter into a new gear.)

I feel like this would be the best solution. You wouldn't need software to determine the gear, the user still dictates that. All the software would do is auto engage and disengage the clutch, and it would be triggered off of the shifter's movement. As soon as the knob leaves one notch it goes to neutral, soon as it enters another it engages that gear.

Me and my friend came up with the exact same idea! hahaha

We think it'd be awesome (but completely implausible giving modern day technical limitations) to have a traditional style manual gearbox without a clutch pedal, and it had an auto mode that could be engaged by sliding the stick into the "A" gear or whatever. It would be off to the side like the reverse gear is, and the ECU would control all the shifting from then on.

If a misshift was to take place, the ECU would just cut throttle or not change gears.

[Year's_End]

though you'll still miss the best part about manuals...heel-toe downshifting

[DougLikesBMW]

Originally Posted by UltimateBMW

Here is a question.

If you could buy a car with a normal 6MT stick shifter, but no clutch pedal, would you?

Basically it would be a DCT with a 6MT gear interface, would you still pick a 6MT or would you get this new hybrid. (Lets also say the shift times are as fast as you can throw the shifter into a new gear.)

I feel like this would be the best solution. You wouldn't need software to determine the gear, the user still dictates that. All the software would do is auto engage and disengage the clutch, and it would be triggered off of the shifter's movement. As soon as the knob leaves one notch it goes to neutral, soon as it enters another it engages that gear.

That's retarded IMO, the clutch is everything.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Laszlo

How can you take an article like this seriously? It's written by someone who knows nothing about cars and second is geared toward joe-consumer. I do believe the manual is on its way out - who wants all that extra effort... especially the younger gens. But autos will always blow IMO.

Of course we can because dct is for people with no knowledge about cars. Sorry that was a cheap shot

[UltimateBMW]

Originally Posted by DougLikesBMW

That's retarded IMO, the clutch is everything.

The purpose of my question was in fact to determine the value of worth of each main part in the 6MT interface. The clutch and the shifter. Which part carries the essence of driving a manual more?

Using a clutch pedal and heel-toeing or rowing gears? If I had to guess I would say rowing the gears would be more essential.

Also, the DCT has manual sized pedals. You could still heel-toe if you really want to experience it, it just is not necessary anymore.

[ALPINE6SPD]

Originally Posted by Laszlo

How can you take an article like this seriously? It's written by someone who knows nothing about cars and second is geared toward joe-consumer. I do believe the manual is on its way out - who wants all that extra effort... especially the younger gens. But autos will always blow IMO.

Me
I will take a manual all day