[anuj452]

I see many folks seeing this issue after their latest software update.

I think this needs a thread of it own as it seems to be related to backup camera recall issue where after the fix, the rear view camera stays on even if you change the gear from Reverse to Drive

Folks who got their s/w update to 07/2019.XX but did not fixed the backup camera recall, may not run into this issue.

This is super annoying when you parallel park as you can't see the front camera.

[HollyM]

So...the camera continues to provide the rear view while in Drive and never changes to show front view? Ever? Or just a delay is experienced?

[LexxM3]

There are A LOT of camera view handling bugs/bad design decisions on the X5. And they will likely occur and recur "randomly" by ISTEP version over the months and years as it is clear BMW has nearly zero control over their non-driveline software development process.

Taking above into account, one will only add to the chaos without precise description (ideally with clear video) of the specific issue. Hence why I started this thread for my issues: https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1621488

Per above, if you are describing EXACT behaviour in video 20190605-03 in my thread, then know that that was already occurring on 3/2019.45, no 7/2019.xx required to demonstrate and no dealer camera recalls applied that I know of as that was the ISTEP version at delivery.

If you are describing a different sequence of actions that fails to switch to front camera when in D, then in that case it might be a new bug (or not, there are A LOT of bugs, I gave up documenting all of them because BMW Canada outright refused to receive the videos that documented them at the time; pathetic idiots).

[anuj452]

Thanks for your post, so its not specifically related to version 07/2019.xx or the backup camera recall , the bugs existed before as well

i was on version 03/2019.45 and it was not an issue till my s/w was upgrades to 07/2019.53 and they also fixed the backup camera recall

[LexxM3]

Originally Posted by anuj452

Thanks for your post, so its not specifically related to version 07/2019.xx or the backup camera recall , the bugs existed before as well

i was on version 03/2019.45 and it was not an issue till my s/w was upgrades to 07/2019.53 and they also fixed the backup camera recall

That's actually interesting. It's too bad that we can't do a deeper dive on the same version any longer. Anyone out there still on 03/2019.45 and DOES NOT see the behaviour shown in this video? If so, please capture your car's equivalent behaviour on video or describe precisely.

LexxM3 bug #20190605-03 on 03/2019.45:

[Dex05]

03/2019.35 and have the same issue.

[russelldav]

07/2019.53 and no backup camera recall but I have this bug since upgrading.

[nosnoop]

Originally Posted by anuj452

I think this needs a thread of it own as it seems to be related to backup camera recall issue where after the fix, the rear view camera stays on even if you change the gear from Reverse to Drive
This is super annoying when you parallel park as you can't see the front camera.

I *personally* believe that this camera behaviour is by design.
So I don't think that it is a bug and it is not related to the recent camera recall (which would fix and reset brightness and constrast settings whenever you start the car).

This is how the camera works for all the versions of the software and in all my previous BMWs.
And this is how I think the camera would behave:
- in open space, the camera would switch to front camera when in D, and rear camera when in R.
- when surrounding obstacles/objects are detected, the camera would stay at rear camera view even when you switch transmission from R to D.

I believe their reasoning is that when there are obstacles around, the priority would be rear view.
I am not saying whether this a right design choice or not, I don't really care either way.
To be honest, front view is sort of optional - as you can simply look through the windshield!
And if you really want the front camera view, you just need to twist the iDrive knob and select.

I can't see why you need the front camera view for parallel parking.... the top down surround camera view should make it easy and should be enough.

[russelldav]

Originally Posted by nosnoop

I *personally* believe that this camera behaviour is by design.
So I don't think that it is a bug and it is not related to the recent camera recall (which would fix and reset brightness and constrast settings whenever you start the car).

This is how the camera works for all the versions of the software and in all my previous BMWs.
And this is how I think the camera would behave:
- in open space, the camera would switch to front camera when in D, and rear camera when in R.
- when surrounding obstacles/objects are detected, the camera would stay at rear camera view even when you switch transmission from R to D.

I believe their reasoning is that when there are obstacles around, the priority would be rear view.
I am not saying whether this a right design choice or not, I don't really care either way.
To be honest, front view is sort of optional - as you can simply look through the windshield!
And if you really want the front camera view, you just need to twist the iDrive knob and select.

I can't see why you need the front camera view for parallel parking.... the top down surround camera view should make it easy and should be enough.

What's odd is the logic has changed with 07/2019.53. Prior to that the camera would shift based on the gear selection which makes sense. In D I don't care what's behind me, and vice versa.

[Eziggy]

Originally Posted by nosnoop

I *personally* believe that this camera behaviour is by design.
So I don't think that it is a bug and it is not related to the recent camera recall (which would fix and reset brightness and constrast settings whenever you start the car).

This is how the camera works for all the versions of the software and in all my previous BMWs.
And this is how I think the camera would behave:
- in open space, the camera would switch to front camera when in D, and rear camera when in R.
- when surrounding obstacles/objects are detected, the camera would stay at rear camera view even when you switch transmission from R to D.

I believe their reasoning is that when there are obstacles around, the priority would be rear view.
I am not saying whether this a right design choice or not, I don't really care either way.
To be honest, front view is sort of optional - as you can simply look through the windshield!
And if you really want the front camera view, you just need to twist the iDrive knob and select.

I can't see why you need the front camera view for parallel parking.... the top down surround camera view should make it easy and should be enough.

Same issue with my new 2020 X5 40i September build. Came with latest software. This is definitely a bug since it acts differently at random times. I also lose the ability to chose a camera angle manually at times as well.

[AndroidRobot]

nice choice of music The issue is the camera doesn't default to 'Auto', mine does the same thing since the last software update. It used to automatically switch to 'Auto' but won't anymore. I'll take a video to show you.

[LexxM3]

Originally Posted by AndroidRobot

nice choice of music

[AndroidRobot]

Originally Posted by LexxM3

yeah I'm a big fan, I can take a video of my car doing the same thing but basically it comes down to the software version. you need to move the camera to Auto which will make it switch.

if you want the lossless (FLAC) versions of their music I have all of their food albums; shoot me a DM

[eagle_bmw]

My dealer called me back on this and said the x7 has the same "feature" . I respectfully asked the logic/reasoning behind and there was no clear answer.

[Eziggy]

One thing I noticed is that you have to tap and enable the front camera with the”A” in order for the cameras to automatically switch based on D/R gear.

Probably something people already knew, but thought I would mention it anyway.

[AustinV]

Originally Posted by Eziggy

One thing I noticed is that you have to tap and enable the front camera with the”A” in order for the cameras to automatically switch based on D/R gear.

Probably something people already knew, but thought I would mention it anyway.

Can you elaborate? How can you make front view come up all the time when switched to D?

[AustinV]

Originally Posted by nosnoop

I *personally* believe that this camera behaviour is by design.
...

I believe their reasoning is that when there are obstacles around, the priority would be rear view.
I am not saying whether this a right design choice or not, I don't really care either way.
To be honest, front view is sort of optional - as you can simply look through the windshield!

Respectfully and totally disagree. When you are parking and there's car or any other obstacle in front of you, the camera view really helps to see what you otherwise cannot see from the windshield. At this point when driving straight I don't care what's going on in the back of my car.

[Paladin1]

Still looking for exception scenarios while driving, but so far my camera switches to the rear when I put the transmission R, and to the front when I engage D. 2020 G05, 07/2019.53.

[X54TH]

Isn't this part of the upcoming recall.

[LexxM3]

Originally Posted by Paladin1

Still looking for exception scenarios while driving, but so far my camera switches to the rear when I put the transmission R, and to the front when I engage D. 2020 G05, 07/2019.53.

Yes, when you start with R and then switch to D and so on, the camera follows correctly. In all other situations (i.e. turning camera on by any other means other than initial switch to R) the camera view does not follow. See my video in post above for one of several precise ways to reproduce the defective behaviour: https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=25342828

[eagle_bmw]

I followed Eziggy suggestion of tapping the front camera with the "A" symbol in the main display and the camera switches correctly with R and D. The setting is gone though after you turn off the car.

[LexxM3]

Originally Posted by eagle_bmw

I followed Eziggy suggestion of tapping the front camera with the "A" symbol in the main display and the camera switches correctly with R and D. The setting is gone though after you turn off the car.

It makes sense that the bug is that the camera view is not placed in Auto view mode and hence fails to switch. Still a bug regardless. Wonder how much BMW will pay each of us to do their jobs and debug their software to root cause for them?