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Now if I'm parallel parking, that's when I would want it to auto switch. That's when I push the parking camera button. Now if the cameras don't auto switch in this mode, I can see how that's annoying. |
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So you can see short objects (say curbs) nears your wheels well below any possible sight-line from your driving position? Impressive. Can you share you seat adjustments to make that happen.
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11-01-2019, 05:14 PM | #48 | |
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I guess it just boils down to preference. However with that being said, it seems BMWs implementation is consistent with several other cars that I have driven. |
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11-01-2019, 05:20 PM | #49 | ||
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About other cars, so those other cars did have front cameras? I assume so, but worth a double check. That was not the behaviour with an Infinity SUV I rented recently, it switched front and rear correctly and consistently ... dare I say "logically".
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11-01-2019, 05:33 PM | #51 | |
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What would be logical, and helpful, is that once you switch to drive from reverse the front view is shown for the same time/distance that the rear view is now shown after switching to drive from reverse. If the front camera is needed for a longer period of time then the parking button can be used. |
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Must be a new thing... My last car, a 2016 Infiniti Q50 which also had both front and rear cameras did not switch from the rear camera to the front camera when switching from reverse to drive.
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For those asking for the logic behind continuing to show the rear camera view after switching into drive... I have found this useful over the years in various cars and have enabled it when it wasn't enabled by default.
The times I find it most useful is when backing into a spot precisely (like in my garage). I need to line up a certain point in the garage with the distance lines shown on the screen. If I overshoot or go in crooked, it's nice to still see the rear view when pulling forward to line up correctly. Or when parallel parking, I back up very close to the car behind while maneuvering in and want to see how much distance I am leaving as I creep forward to center in the spot. It may not be useful or logical for everyone, but I have found it to be so. |
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11-01-2019, 07:55 PM | #54 | |
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I am a big fan of personal choice, so the simple solution to the minor/rare use cases is to a) provide a way for user to configure their preferred default, and b) provide a fast/simple/predictable way to trigger alternate views. a) is completely missing and b) is mostly broken either or both by design and/or implementation in all current X5 software.
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11-02-2019, 07:48 AM | #55 |
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I am currently on 03/2019.60 and I don't have this camera switching problem, it works flawlessly every time.
I have my car booked in for some repair and I know upgrades are available, I am now second guessing whether if I should get the upgrades or just stick with what I have that works
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11-02-2019, 08:12 AM | #56 | |
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The camera not switching is really just something to complain about, nothing that really affects the use of the vehicle. |
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11-02-2019, 08:41 AM | #57 |
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... right up to the point where you curb your wheels, hit a below sight-line object, or worse. It's only a few thousand dollars (or worse), nothing serious.
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11-02-2019, 09:09 AM | #58 |
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That would be the driver's fault. The button can be pushed and the image shown so no excuse whatsoever for hitting the curb. What we are discussing here is a preference for the best way for the camera views to be managed, nothing critical at all. As in similar discussions, this is where you part from using logic in your argument.
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11-02-2019, 09:25 AM | #59 | |
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- the button is clustered in a busy area of the panel; you always have to look down to avoid ASS or wrong camera button - there are situations I documented when the button doesn't ever show front camera; apparently that's because there is actually NO WAY to force show the front camera, just A = automatic, and there are many situations where the software thinks it knows better than you what you need to see (hint: it doesn't) - all of above takes time and futzing around that increases the chance of error of seeing the wrong view, or just giving up and winging it by feel, all while in impatient parking lots and traffic; multiple times every single day There is no fault in my logic. Each issue above us highly annoying. Collectively, this is a truly shitty camera view driver assist design.
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11-02-2019, 09:51 AM | #60 | |
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Secondly, your "logical" argument in the previous post goes like this: The driver just switched into drive from reverse. He/she looks at the screen to see what the camera shows because he/she is worried that they may hit the curb. Upon looking at the screen, the driver notices that the view is still showing the rear camera. Rather than hitting the button to show the front view, he/she decides to just take the chance and go for it and when the curb is hit, it is BMW's fault for having their camera stay on the rear view. Obviously legally your position is faulty due to various legals disclaimers as well as common sense. As you have done in the past, you are using an emotional argument and trying to make it "logical". If you strictly stick to the way the cameras are handled you can make a fairly decent logical argument, one that I and I'm sure many others agreed with. It is when you veer off into trying to assign blame and make emotional appeals that your position falls apart. Then again, your opinion, just like mine, really doesn't matter when it comes to this issue or many others. Take it easy. |
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I suspect there are lots of people that agree with my points. Those that make excuses for shitty designs, on the other hand, deserve all the shitty products you'll get.
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Getting back to the original issue, it looks like BMW agrees with the position that LexxM3 and I were taking that the camera should switch to the front view when the gears are changed from reverse to drive. randybobandy has posted that 07/2019.70 has fixed the bug and the front camera is now shown when going from reverse to drive.
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Got my car back today with the software version updated from 07/2019.53 to 07/2019.70
The bug still exists in 07/2019.70 I was asked to press the "A" icon of the front camera in iDrive 3d view before switching gear from Reverse to Drive for front camera to turn on.
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I pulled into a parking spot with a concrete wall in front. When approaching, the front camera was on and the top down view took over. I put the car in reverse and backed up about 10 ft. I put the car back in drive and the reverse image remained. However, when approaching the same wall, the car never switched out of the rear camera. I feel like there is too many what ifs with this whole camera debacle. Never had an issue with previous vehicles with front cameras. They were simple and functioned as intended. It’s also tough trying to explain half here issues without a video or commentary. I hope this makes some sense! Next update right? |
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It looks like that happened when backing out and driving forward, but the car was also looking for parking spots, so I am not sure if I may have hit the button when shutting off auto start/stop. |
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