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And to think all the nay-sayers did not believe it was going to happen. The writing was on the wall that the current V8 was going to be phased out.

Not to be an ass, but the 2019 50i resale value just took a big blow because of this. We have personally dealt with a similar situation when the E65/E66 7-Series went from a 745 to 750 because of an engine upgrade. We got clobbered...and the car still had a year of factory warranty remaining.

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And to think all the nay-sayers did not believe it was going to happen. The writing was on the wall that the current V8 was going to be phased out.

Not to be an ass, but the 2019 50i resale value just took a big blow because of this. We have personally dealt with a similar situation when the E65/E66 7-Series went from a 745 to 750 because of an engine upgrade. We got clobbered...
Maybe maybe not, it depends on the suspension tuning and what other changes will be made inside. I purposely didn't wait because like my X3 M40i I didn't want an overly firm suspension.
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And to think all the nay-sayers did not believe it was going to happen. The writing was on the wall that the current V8 was going to be phased out.

Not to be an ass, but the 2019 50i resale value just took a big blow because of this. We have personally dealt with a similar situation when the E65/E66 7-Series went from a 745 to 750 because of an engine upgrade. We got clobbered...
Deals to be had this fall on the 2019 50i ??
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Where is this photo from? BMW config site?? I don't see it


https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/05/22/w...upercar-power/
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Deals to be had this fall on the 2019 50i ??
Deals to be had now until production ceases for the 50i in July. Anyone with the information that the M50i is coming can clearly make that point to any BMW center. If one cannot acquire a significant discount then obviously that individual should wait and order the M50i.

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this is not cool by BMW at all. Both cars were brand new models for 2019, those that opted for the expensive V8 version get screwed big time.

at least for the m550i it was out for 2 years before bmw did this..
This is well known that the M50i was coming Fall 2020.
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This is well known that the M50i was coming Fall 2020.
Yep... it is not profitable to produce two V8s with similar architecture. Furthermore the V8s have always sold in low numbers in comparison to the six cylinders. This also makes the case for only needing one V8 (non M) throughout the BMW lineup and clearly be the newest version of it.
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Deals to be had now until production ceases for the 50i in July. Anyone with the information that the M50i is coming can clearly make that point to any BMW center. If one cannot acquire a significant discount then obviously that individual should wait and order the M50i.
excellent ! my lease is up in December and the 2019 50i could fit in nicely. I was leaning to the x3 M40i ...however this has me rethinking.
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It’s not that big of a deal to current X5/X7 50i M-Sport owners as the current V8TT is a reliable and powerful engine. It was just updated for the 2019 X5 50i. 67hp isn’t going to change anything unless the M50i has firmer suspension and that won’t be a selling point to many and it may be to others.
I think those that really want a firm track oriented X5 and want bragging rights will just buy the X5M. The assumption that everyone wants a ”full M car” is ridiculous.
There are a lot buying the X7 and X5 50i that want luxurious power with a luxurious ride. Most every enthusiast that are buying the current 50i knows the M50i was coming. They are both marketed as a 50i so resale value won’t change. IMO.

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It’s not that big of a deal to current X5/X7 50i M-Sport owners as the current V8TT is a reliable and powerful engine. 67hp isn’t going to change anything.
A 67 hp increase is rather significant as well as the torque increase. It also gains the M Sport exhaust (standard) that was previously unavailable for the U.S. market so it will be even more throaty.

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I think those that really want a firm track oriented X5 and want bragging rights will just buy the X5M. The assumption that everyone wants a ”full M car” is ridiculous.

Most every enthusiast that are buying the current 50i knows the M50i was coming. They are both marketed as a 50i so resale value won’t change. IMO.
The price difference between an M50i and a X5M will be fairly substantial this go around. Unlike a loaded F15 50i vs a F85 X5M.


As a former center employee I strongly disagree as would my former new car sales mgr and used sales mgr. We have seen this happen repeatedly and the last that comes to mind is the 2006 E90 330i which was an all new car with an all new engine (N52). In 2007 the 335i was released with an all new engine (N54) and the resale values of the 330s got slaughtered. The E90 330i was a one year car, just like the G05 50i is becoming. These quick engine updates never do any favors for the initial buyers.

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OK, everybody is happy with the power increase. I like it, but... why this car has only 882 lbs payload? I cannot take three friends with me going for a weekend trip... that's ridiculous.
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A 67 hp increase is rather significant as well as the torque increase. It also gains the M Sport exhaust (standard) that was previously unavailable for the U.S. market so it will be even more throaty.



The price difference between an M50i and a X5M will be fairly substantial this go around. Unlike a loaded F15 50i vs a F85 X5M.


As a former center employee I strongly disagree as would my former new car sales mgr and used sales mgr. We have seen this happen repeatedly and the last that comes to mind is the 2006 E90 330i which was an all new car with an all new engine (N52). In 2007 the 335i was released with an all new engine (N54) and the resale values of the 330s got slaughtered. The E90 330i was a one year car, just like the G05 50i is becoming. These quick engine updates never do any favors for the initial buyers.
Agreed. Also big mental jump from 4XX to 5XX horsepower. M badging and M-performance parts (differential, exhaust) are a pretty big deal from both practical and marketing standpoints.

On paper, there's nothing the M50i isn't better at than the xDrive50i. Don't even understand the concerns about suspension. The car isn't even out yet and nobody except BMW test engineers know how it drives. It's still a large family-oriented SUV geared towards comfort and practicality, unlike a hardcore M-badged car. I highly doubt the M-suspension tuning will make this car any significantly worse to daily drive than a xDrive50i. Let's be realistic. Nobody in the market for a V8 powered X5 (maybe save for a tiny fraction of individuals) is going to prefer a xDrive50i over a M50i barring significant price reductions on the former.
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I see this like when BMW introduced the M5 then they introduced the M5 Competition. One could say they screwed the M5 owners but it doesn’t take away how good the M5 is. BMW will do this with the new X5M then have a X5M Competition.
There will always be a faster model so at some point you jump into where you find the vehicle that meets your needs and enjoy it.
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I never understood the destination charge. I come to the dealer to pick up the car. And when you go and buy a refrigerator, do they charge you $300 for destination? I think its just a bullshit fee.
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It also gains the M Sport exhaust (standard) that was previously unavailable for the U.S. market so it will be even more throaty.
Is this correct? Just curious because my 2019 50i has the M Sport Exhaust and it was a dealer lot car (however, it was surprisingly loaded for a dealer car with B&W speakers and such). How come it has the M Sport Exhaust, could they have still added it to the order?
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I'm a little confused, is this for the European market only or are these models coming to the United States as well?
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A 67 hp increase is rather significant as well as the torque increase. It also gains the M Sport exhaust (standard) that was previously unavailable for the U.S. market so it will be even more throaty.


2 tenths of a second isn’t that big of a deal coming from 4.1 seconds currently. There is always a tune if you felt the need for a 3.5 seconds 0-60mph SUV with the 50i M-Sport.
The current M-Sport exhaust on the 50i is one of, if not THE best sounding BMW’s in a long time. Totally isolated with the windows up but awesome from behind. My guess is the exhaust on the M50i will sound the same with maybe a few “pops” programmed in. It will be great. I am excited to see how BMW could engineer a already awesome sounding exhaust better. I just hope they don’t pipe in artificial exhaust noise through the speakers.
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I see this like when BMW introduced the M5 then they introduced the M5 Competition. One could say they screwed the M5 owners but it doesnít take away how good the M5 is. BMW will do this with the new X5M then have a X5M Competition.
There will always be a faster model so at some point you jump into where you find the vehicle that meets your needs and enjoy it.
Apples to oranges... the M5 and M5 Competition are sold along side each other. The M5 Comp did not replace the M5. The X3M, X3M Competition, X4M, and X4M Competition will all be sold together. The X5 M50i replaces the 50i, totally different scenario.
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Apples to oranges... the M5 and M5 Competition are sold along side each other. The M5 Comp did not replace the M5. The X3M, X3M Competition, X4M, and X4M Competition will all be sold together. The X5 M50i replaces the 50i, totally different scenario.
Not really, the first M5 buyers had no idea the M5 Competition was to be introduced so soon. Some that felt some of these early owners that had to have the top very model would be irritated.
I didn’t read in the BMW Blog the X5/X7 M50i was replacing the X5/X7 50i. Was that reported?

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Is this correct? Just curious because my 2019 50i has the M Sport Exhaust and it was a dealer lot car (however, it was surprisingly loaded for a dealer car with B&W speakers and such). How come it has the M Sport Exhaust, could they have still added it to the order?
You do have the M-Sport exhaust from the factory like most of us. On the 50i M-Sport it is even listed as a separate option on the window sticker from the M Sport package. There is a implication that it may be a more aggressive sounding exhaust but we won’t know until we hear it.
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I never understood the destination charge. I come to the dealer to pick up the car. And when you go and buy a refrigerator, do they charge you $300 for destination? I think its just a bullshit fee.
The car has to be shipped from the factory to the dealer..
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Not really, the first M5 buyers had no idea the M5 Competition was to be introduced so soon. Some that felt some of these early owners that had to have the top very model would be irritated.
I didnít read in the BMW Blog the X5/X7 M50i was replacing the X5/X7 50i. Was that reported?
Sure they did... as the previous gen M5 was also offered with the competition package. The E46 M3 came with or without competition package in 2005 & 2006. BMW has been playing this game for years...

Yes, it is expected as BMW simply cannot justify two V8 models (50i & M50i). There is only one X3 and X4 model with a six cylinder (M40i), only one V8 model for the 5 and 8 which are both M50s.
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