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      09-15-2020, 04:44 AM   #1
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45e or 40i

Which one you ordered and why? Interested in your POV.

I need to replace two leases in December. Deciding which one I should order? One of each..LOL?

Little history - had both x35i (which was great car) and current 40e, which is POS. So hesitant to repeat the same PHEV mistake.
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      09-15-2020, 06:43 AM   #3
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X5 45e has the $7,500 tax credit.

AWD comes standard on it, $2,300 option
PHEV options costs $3,700
Combined that is $6,000

So with the $7,500 tax credit, it is actually cheaper to buy the x45e version.

And now that it has a 6 cylinder engine also, the HP is higher on the x45e version. Reviews all indicate that BMW got it right on the 45e.
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Which one you ordered and why? Interested in your POV.

I need to replace two leases in December. Deciding which one I should order? One of each..LOL?

Little history - had both x35i (which was great car) and current 40e, which is POS. So hesitant to repeat the same PHEV mistake.
I ordered the 45e because the taxes in my country are much lower - and I also hope I can do about 40% of my trips on pure electricity.

What was so bad about the 40e?
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45e gets better fuel economy especially if you can plug in overnight, comes with air suspension as standard, and clocks the same 0-60 as the 40i. If you plan on buying/financing and qualify for the full federal tax credit then it is cheaper than the 40i too. In my case (full federal tax credit plus $4k state tax credit) the 45e is a no brainer...
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      09-15-2020, 08:26 AM   #8
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OP, can you elaborate on why you don't like your 40e? With you saying that, maybe a 40i would be the best route. But the reasons you find it a pos may be fixed depending on your answers.
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      09-15-2020, 08:52 AM   #9
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Has anyone driven the 45e and 40i back to back? I'm curious on this as well. Do they drive similarly (i.e. similar performance and feel)? I love the motor on the 40i and it's more than adequate as a family hauler, and butter smooth. I'm wondering if I lose anything with the 45e.
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      09-15-2020, 08:59 AM   #10
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Has anyone driven the 45e and 40i back to back? I'm curious on this as well. Do they drive similarly (i.e. similar performance and feel)? I love the motor on the 40i and it's more than adequate as a family hauler, and butter smooth. I'm wondering if I lose anything with the 45e.
I had a 40i loaner last time my G01 was in for service and ordered a 45e. The standard air suspension is nicer on the 45e and the electric motor gives it more low end torque. I only passed on my 45e order because a different order I had placed came in first and was the preferred option. Overall, the improved efficiency and comfort is enough of a reason to go 45e, the federal tax credit is just icing on the cake. Oh, and keep in mind, 45e has the inline 6 as the ICE, not a 4 cylinder like the 40e has.
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If you can get all the tax breaks and finance the e seems like it would be a better deal. If you lease you would have to do the math for your specific situation and see if it would be worth the extra dough(I am not exactly sure how the credit shakes out with leases, that would be a question for one of my guys like Jimmy Miller, I dont stay on top of that stuff). Both are great, from a dealer side I will say that I personally think that the e may yield a little better resale down the road just bc it seems that is the direction people/companies are leaning moving forward. We have seen a large demand for the e the past few months for what its worth. Both are great, I personally ordered a 40i for my demo, but I would have been more then happy with the e as well, especially since I drive about 10 miles a day on avg so I would rarely ever have to buy gas
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      09-15-2020, 10:55 AM   #12
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OP, can you elaborate on why you don't like your 40e? With you saying that, maybe a 40i would be the best route. But the reasons you find it a pos may be fixed depending on your answers.
Drive train error every other day.

Stalled on road while driving multiple times, litterly shut down and come back on it own.

Service center couldn’t find anything other than updating software.
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OP, can you elaborate on why you don't like your 40e? With you saying that, maybe a 40i would be the best route. But the reasons you find it a pos may be fixed depending on your answers.
Drive train error every other day.

Stalled on road while driving multiple times, litterly shut down and come back on it own.

Service center couldn’t find anything other than updating software.
In that case depending on how long you keep the car, a 40i may give you peace of mind for long-term ownership due to less complexity under the hood, of course you can always get a lemon regardless of car, but hopefully they have improved the hybrid system and either way you go you have some good luck.

Porsche's E-Hybrid technology in the Cayenne seems pretty good, but not as efficient, could also be an interesting choice.
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I hadn't considered the 45e, just figured the 40i was the logical choice.

With this months incentives being better (.9 vs 1.9 financing), and $1k fleet only available on the 45e, plus tax credits, the 45e winds up being almost $9k cheaper by my math. That's real money.

I don't see the downside for the $9k savings, might have to get the 45e...
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I hadn't considered the 45e, just figured the 40i was the logical choice.

With this months incentives being better (.9 vs 1.9 financing), and $1k fleet only available on the 45e, plus tax credits, the 45e winds up being almost $9k cheaper by my math. That's real money.

I don't see the downside for the $9k savings, might have to get the 45e...
This is only for purchase I guess.

I do only lease. Not going to spend $150K and let it depreciate (my each build is $75595).
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Update:

Ordered one each 45e and 40i.

Production Number assigned and Status Code 111.

This will be #7 and #8 BMW's.
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      09-15-2020, 01:54 PM   #17
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Model Code 21XT X5 xDrive45e USD 65,400.00
Color C27 Arctic Grey Metallic 550.00
Upholstery MCEW Ivory White Vernasca Leather N/C
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This is only for purchase I guess.

I do only lease. Not going to spend $150K and let it depreciate (my each build is $75595).
Correct.

What's your monthly and down money? I'd imagine you just locked in $70k plus in depreciation, just a different way of looking at it
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Nice build. Not sure how anyone can go wrong w/ the 45e given its added range and the new (old) ICE power plant - its really teh best of both worlds IMO, particularly when you factor in the $ 7500 tax credit.

So assuming your dealer will let you pick 1 of the 2 - that's a great dealer to be working with!

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I debated between the two. Ended up ordering a 40i. I really liked both. The extra low end torque from the 45e was nice in city driving. However as weird personal preference I like the feel of the steel springs over the air suspension myself. Only able to option the 45e with air. That and the extra cost for the 45e and cost for installing a charger in the garage pushed me to the 40i. Leasing so wouldn't see the tax rebate.
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I have x5 45e and love it.
Although i have to state my main reason was money.
45e is 13k (€) cheaper than 40i and 22k cheaper than 30d so it was a no brainer.
I am very curious if anyone has driven 40i and 45e back to back and feel if the battery weight makes difference.
For the same price I would buy the 40i with 7 seats (just because i think 7 seats should be cool)
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This is only for purchase I guess.

I do only lease. Not going to spend $150K and let it depreciate (my each build is $75595).
You do understand you are still paying for depreciation when you lease?
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