[bimmerwhale]

I don't think this is covered in previous DKP discussion posts.

Will you guys be concerned if you forget your phone in a Starbucks or restaurant? Whoever picks up the phone can now walk to the parking lot to drive away your car? Or someone intentionally steal iPhones to get a new car?

I usually keep my key fob with my other keys and never have lost them once. But I am afraid I have numerous occasion where I had to go back to a shop to get my iPhone that I forgot on the chair.

Please talk some sense to me. I need PEACE of mind.

[ltoda2nd]

Attach your iphone to your keys?

[emmix007]

Last Sunday I did just that....forgot my phone aka car key in the charging tray . Got lucky..

[Qsilver7]

If you left your phone in an establishment and it has the capability of starting your car...unless the person that would pick up your phone and NOT turn it in saw what vehicle you got out of...how would they know to walk to your BMW to start it?

In regard to leaving the remote fob or phone inside the car...why aren't you locking your car when you leave it? I always lock my car unless it is in my garage...so if I were to accidentally or unintentionally leave my remote (or phone if I had that set-up) inside the car...when I go to lock the vehicle...I would quickly discover that I've left it behind.

But obviously, if you've selected to use lock when you walk away...you've also given up some personal safety verification by assuming the car is going to do what you expect it to do...and could miss the fact the vehicle didn't lock. (I would not select this feature, personally...because of the lessened lock-verification)...I have no problem pressing the CA ridges to physically lock the vehicle while I'm near the car...or press the button on the remote.

[LuvMyE92]

Disable the feature so that your phone won't start the car.

Problem solved.

I think it's a neat feature, but since my (wife's) car one day decided that the phone was no longer privileged, and the BMW NFC card as well, and didn't recognize either of them, I no longer trust them.

Heck, even fobs aren't foolproof, but I trust it more than the newer technology.

[tooloud10]

Car theft via DK seems less likely than car theft via key fob. You can lose either one just as easily, and at least your phone doesn't have a BMW logo on it with a button that activates the horn so the thief can easily figure out which vehicle it goes to.

[machop]

Don’t have my idrive 8 yet. But for Tesla I added a security code. Small inconvenience gave me piece of mind

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by Qsilver7

If you left your phone in an establishment and it has the capability of starting your car...unless the person that would pick up your phone and NOT turn it in saw what vehicle you got out of...how would they know to walk to your BMW to start it?

as seen here on my lock screen, double-clicking the power button reveals all applicable cards in my Apple Wallet including the Digital Key to my 45e. no passcode or Face ID required. someone could have this setting enabled. I personally don’t but enabled it for illustration purposes that someone could find out easily

[IftiBashir]

Autowatch Ghost.

[IftiBashir]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

as seen here on my lock screen, double-clicking the power button reveals all applicable cards in my Apple Wallet including the Digital Key to my 45e. no passcode or Face ID required. someone could have this setting enabled. I personally don’t but enabled it for illustration purposes that someone could find out easily

Double clicking the power button shouldn’t just open your wallet. It should authenticate with FaceID BEFORE showing your cards/wallet. If you have it set to anything different then you’re just asking for trouble.

[weinerbarn]

Turn off Express Mode.

https://faq.bmwusa.com/s/article/FAQ...anguage=en_US#

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by IftiBashir

Double clicking the power button shouldn’t just open your wallet. It should authenticate with FaceID BEFORE showing your cards/wallet. If you have it set to anything different then you’re just asking for trouble.

the level of access you are talking about isn’t the same as what I’ve shown with that particular setting

with the setting “double-click side button” enabled, it will show the list of keys/cards in the Wallet without any authentication, but one can’t open them to see their details or use them without authentication (Face ID, passcode). the exception is if the owner enabled Express Mode for the Digital Key where access is granted without Face ID or a passcode.

I already said I don’t have that setting enabled, but just enabled it to show that list by double-clicking the side button, one could see the list in the Wallet including the Digital Key and the specific vehicle for it. I’m willing to bet some people have it enabled for the convenience, but yeah, it’s a higher security risk

[mojoJJ]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

with the setting “double-click side button” enabled, it will show the list of keys/cards in the Wallet without any authentication, but one can’t open them to see their details without authentication (Face ID, passcode)

No, it won’t. That’s a pretty serious security flaw if it did. Even with double click enabled, you’ll still need to passcode/faceID from lock screen to open wallet and see the list of cards. I just tried it a bunch of times and it always asked for faceID. Obviously you have to have your phone locked (and cover faceID camera) to test.

Tested on iPhone 12 pro max iOS 16.x.x

[whynotme]

Don't you have to unlock your phone for the digital key to operate? If not, that's just a huge reason to disable the feature.

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by mojoJJ

No, it won’t. That’s a pretty serious security flaw if it did. Even with double click enabled, you’ll still need to passcode/faceID from lock screen to open wallet and see the list of cards. I just tried it a bunch of times and it always asked for faceID. Obviously you have to have your phone locked (and cover faceID camera) to test.

Tested on iPhone 12 pro max iOS 16.x.x

are you certain? go to Settings > Wallet & Apple Pay > enable Double-Click Side Button

I have iPhone 14 Pro on iOS 16.6.1

after enabling this setting, when I double-click the power button, my Wallet list shows up, and the Face ID icon is ‘looking’ for me (I blocked the camera and angled the phone’s screen away from me). if I click on any key or card, nothing happens, but name for all the keys/cards are seen

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by whynotme

Don't you have to unlock your phone for the digital key to operate? If not, that's just a huge reason to disable the feature.

Express Mode allows you to use the Digital Key with authenticating with Face ID or a passcode

[bimmerwhale]

Originally Posted by whynotme

Don't you have to unlock your phone for the digital key to operate? If not, that's just a huge reason to disable the feature.

You only need to have the phone in your pocket and within a few steps away from the car , the car will unlock automatically.

[mojoJJ]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

are you certain? go to Settings > Wallet & Apple Pay > enable Double-Click Side Button

I have iPhone 14 Pro on iOS 16.6.1

It might be a iPhone thing then. I have all these settings enabled. With my phone locked, I cover the whole top sensor camera array and double click side button, I get a message saying “FaceID to Open Wallet”.

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by mojoJJ

It might be a iPhone thing then. I have all these settings enabled. With my phone locked, I cover the whole top sensor camera array and double click side button, I get a message saying “FaceID to Open Wallet”.

I’ll try it on my son’s iPhone 12 and report back

[bimmerwhale]

I opened the Wallet and clicked "i" on top right of the BMW card.
There is an option called "Passive Entry" I can switch off.
When it's off, it will "You can still use this car key by holding your iPhone near the reader and using Face ID or passcode"
I will try to use this on my car and see if now it requires FaceId to unlock the car.
Feel much safer that way.

[mojoJJ]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

I’ll try it on my son’s iPhone 12 and report back

Ok I found the problem. There’s an additional setting under “face Id and passcode” which would allow wallet to be opened without face ID. I guess better to keep that setting disabled for security.

[mojoJJ]

Originally Posted by bimmerwhale

I opened the Wallet and clicked "i" on top right of the BMW card.
There is an option called "Passive Entry" I can switch off.
When it's off, it will "You can still use this car key by holding your iPhone near the reader and using Face ID or passcode"
I will try to use this on my car and see if now it requires FaceId to unlock the car.
Feel much safer that way.

So with passive entry enabled, the car will unlock as you’re approaching, without the need to take your phone out of your pocket. This is based on BT and UWB. With passive entry disabled, you’ll have to take the phone out and tap on the door handle, this work with NFC; it still doesn’t require face ID or passcode. If your phone ever runs out of battery, you can still unlock by tapping it on the door handle for up to 5 hours (I think).