[PeterK1]

Originally Posted by speedyman

Asian knock off junk. Great stuff for the fake Rolex/LV purse crowd. There is no comparison between the Korean crap and BMW.

Incredibly strong opinion from someone who probably hasn’t seen and definitely hasn’t driven a GV80

We have owned mostly MB’s Audi’s and BMW’s over the last thirty plus years and I would say that my wife’s Acura RDX is probably the overall best car we have owned. Looks, quality, reliability, dealer experience have been top notch and in addition the car was almost $10k Canadian cheaper than its German rivals

Certainly not “Asian knock off junk” in my opinion.

BTW my watch was made by a very old established Swiss watch maker so I’m not part of your fake “Rolex/ LV crowd.

[teefive]

Originally Posted by speedyman

Asian knock off junk. Great stuff for the fake Rolex/LV purse crowd. There is no comparison between the Korean crap and BMW.

Our X5s use glass from a Chinese supplier and a transmission from a Japanese supplier. Neither are examples of cheap knock-offs.

That said, arguing on internet forums is pointless. YOU have a problem if you believe that a race or country isn't capable of producing a product as good as another race or country.

[speedyman]

Originally Posted by teefive

Our X5s use glass from a Chinese supplier and a transmission from a Japanese supplier. Neither are examples of cheap knock-offs.

That said, arguing on internet forums is pointless. YOU have a problem if you believe that a race or country isn't capable of producing a product as good as another race or country.

Ah yes, the "race card". Seriously Dude, lighten up, nobody needs that garbage along with PC lecture overtones.

[Pumxee]

I saw the GV80 in person yesterday. It was fucking gorgeous. NO joke. I own an X6

[thereef510]

Originally Posted by VTENGR

I think the major difference between what you will get with an X5 and GV80 is the driving experience. There are a lot of ppl who just want to get to A to B in a luxurious cabin (stereotypical Lexus buyer). I think Genesis is targeting that market. BMW has built their niche for buyers who still like to drive and get the hair standing on the arms and neck when they hear a throaty exhaust or accelerate quickly down an onramp or passing traffic, or country back roads. Those ppl will never buy a Genesis GV80 b/c it isn't that car. This car is competing with the GX460 crowd, IMO.

I get what you're saying but this is what i don't get: if someone just wants a luxurious car to get from A to B, they'll post likely go for a Japanese vehicle. They are cheaper than the Germans and hits all the points you're making. The Koreans are cheaper than the Germans but not cheaper than the Japanese, so what 'new' thing are they offering that would convince this customer to switch to Genesis?

[PeterK1]

Originally Posted by Pumxee

I saw the GV80 in person yesterday. It was fucking gorgeous. NO joke. I own an X6

So not Asian knockoff junk then (as one poster suggested) :-)

[VTENGR]

Originally Posted by thereef510

I get what you're saying but this is what i don't get: if someone just wants a luxurious car to get from A to B, they'll post likely go for a Japanese vehicle. They are cheaper than the Germans and hits all the points you're making. The Koreans are cheaper than the Germans but not cheaper than the Japanese, so what 'new' thing are they offering that would convince this customer to switch to Genesis?

I think a fully loaded GV80 will run you less than 70k. A fully loaded GX460 approaches 90k.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by VTENGR

I think a fully loaded GV80 will run you less than 70k. A fully loaded GX460 approaches 90k.

The GV80 is aimed more towards the RX.

[VTENGR]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

The GV80 is aimed more towards the RX.

Seems bigger than the RX. MDX maybe (Acura)

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by VTENGR

Seems bigger than the RX. MDX maybe (Acura)

Its slightly bigger although only by a small few inches, but despite the RX being FWD based, its always competed in the mid-sized class with the X5, GLE (Formerly ML), Q7/8, etc. Its also Lexus' top seller (and best selling in the segment). The Mid-Size luxury class is a bit messy since there's a mix of two and three-row SUV's that all compete with each other.

The GX is an oddball when comparing since its more truck like with a body-on-frame platform, and is incredibly outdated at a decade old. Most GV80 reviews and press materials have also been pitching it against the RX for its Japanese competition and the X5 and GLE for the Germans.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by Pumxee

I saw the GV80 in person yesterday. It was fucking gorgeous. NO joke. I own an X6

It is arguably the best looking SUV in the class at least from the exterior point of view. I personally am not a big fan of the interior but it was voted the most luxurious of the class in the poll we had here. They are using high quality materials that rival others. I guess I might as well start liking that design since BMW is headed that way also given the interior in the new iX.

For a number of reasons (no spare, no massage seat for the passenger [questionable for the driver], forcing 22" wheels on the top trim, no air suspension, etc.) I won't be getting a GV80 but should those items be resolved it would be on my list of contenders. Being used to the ride/handling of the X5 my guess is that it will fail in that comparison but it is too early to tell on that.

[VTENGR]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

It is arguably the best looking SUV in the class at least from the exterior point of view. I personally am not a big fan of the interior but it was voted the most luxurious of the class in the poll we had here. They are using high quality materials that rival others. I guess I might as well start liking that design since BMW is headed that way also given the interior in the new iX.

For a number of reasons (no spare, no massage seat for the passenger [questionable for the driver], forcing 22" wheels on the top trim, no air suspension, etc.) I won't be getting a GV80 but should those items be resolved it would be on my list of contenders. Being used to the ride/handling of the X5 my guess is that it will fail in that comparison but it is too early to tell on that.

It's a tad misleading because the pre production pictures show the car with quilted stitched leather, which IMO makes a cabin look much more luxurious. However when you build one out the leather is not quilted. Really takes away how lux the cabin looks.

[SHARMAATL]

Originally Posted by VTENGR

It's a tad misleading because the pre production pictures show the car with quilted stitched leather, which IMO makes a cabin look much more luxurious. However when you build one out the leather is not quilted. Really takes away how lux the cabin looks.

In fairness to Genesis, I believe the quilted leather option is available on production models, but it's reserved for the highest trim level

[VTENGR]

Originally Posted by SHARMAATL

In fairness to Genesis, I believe the quilted leather option is available on production models, but it's reserved for the highest trim level

That's odd. Their online configurator doesn't show it that way on their highest trim.

[DENtoLAS]

Oversized Tucson

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by SHARMAATL

In fairness to Genesis, I believe the quilted leather option is available on production models, but it's reserved for the highest trim level

I have to say the photos on leasehackr look really nice, quite a good looking car (at least in my opinion).

Found some photos of the non-quilted interior. Still looks nice, I especially love the cool color combos.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by SHARMAATL

In fairness to Genesis, I believe the quilted leather option is available on production models, but it's reserved for the highest trim level

That is correct, the Prestige Package (only for the 3.5) gets the Nappa leather seats which are quilted.

[VTENGR]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

That is correct, the Prestige Package (only for the 3.5) gets the Nappa leather seats which are quilted.

Ahhh so what it was for they online configurator is you can't get the nappa leather if you go with 3rd row seats (the 3.5 advanced+ powertrain trim)

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by VTENGR

Ahhh so what it was for they online configurator is you can't get the nappa leather if you go with 3rd row seats (the 3.5 advanced+ powertrain trim)

Yes, I think their lack of options/customization is going to hurt them for some customers who are used to doing such a thing but I guess the majority of folks will not mind them offering limited packages/color combinations.

On the Genesis forum quite a few people wish they could get the top trim but get a spare instead of the third row and get the 20" wheels rather than 22". Most have said though they will compromise and get it anyway even though it isn't like they would configure it.

[codex57]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

It is arguably the best looking SUV in the class at least from the exterior point of view. I personally am not a big fan of the interior but it was voted the most luxurious of the class in the poll we had here. They are using high quality materials that rival others. I guess I might as well start liking that design since BMW is headed that way also given the interior in the new iX.

Haha I'm the opposite. I don't like the exterior design much. It's into the so boring, it's unattractive range. Love the interior though.

[speedyman]

Originally Posted by codex57

Haha I'm the opposite. I don't like the exterior design much. It's into the so boring, it's unattractive range. Love the interior though.

Agree, very boring like Honda.
I crack up when I hear people call this Hyundai scrap a "Korean Mercedes", what a joke. This stuff isn't in the same universe as Audi/BMW/Mercedes. The people who are slobbering over this stuff want to think they can get a German level vehicle for the price of a knock off, doesn't work that way.

[Marty in NY]

Originally Posted by speedyman

Agree, very boring like Honda.
I crack up when I hear people call this Hyundai scrap a "Korean Mercedes", what a joke. This stuff isn't in the same universe as Audi/BMW/Mercedes. The people who are slobbering over this stuff want to think they can get a German level vehicle for the price of a knock off, doesn't work that way.

but.....its not at the price of a knockoff. I was surprised to see their pricing once they released it, I just don't get it. Would have expected at least $10-15K less in order to break into the market. In order to pull the disgruntled German owners into their court. Then a few years later if successful, they would increase their pricing. If I'm layout out $75K, its not going to be for this. Still, time will tell.

The concern about the dealership situation is real. Its bad enough to go into most dealerships, including BMW, Merc, etc but going in to the likes of Hyundai, Kia, etc, which I have done, is punishment I don't deserve. I don't mean to come off as snobbish, however I do want to have a positive and un-regretful dealership experience when handing them $75K.