[BeEmVee]

Other than the pricing, does anyone have practical feedback on the driving/build quality/ownership experience between the two? Porsche seems to have become more cookie cutter with their shared VW platform.

[Jd19]

Handling is better in the Cayenne, but you pay the Porsche premium. A loaded Cayenne S is now $140k+ and service is generally more expensive. Both the X5 and Cayenne are reliable vehicles. X5 is definitely the better value. Can’t go wrong with either!

[LDT]

My M60i was $103k and a Cayenne S was $20k + more. It’s simple, there isn’t $20k + better handling in the S not to mention that PCM cannot hold a candle to iDrive 8.5. I got $6400 discount on the X5. You won’t get any on the Porsche. Furthermore the Cayenne has had the same look for 5 model years. I like the exterior changes in the X5 LCI. And I’ve had two Cayennes.

[afel]

And service is well north of $1,000 for the cayenne.

[sbc-yyc]

You buy the Porsche for the badge. Simple as that.

Sure, it may be better than the X5 in few areas but the ridiculous price tag simply doesn't justify that. And, nothing used on the Cayenne is actually "Porsche". It's more Audi++ than Porsche. If you really want a Porsche, buy a 911.

[W0ut]

Was considering the Cayenne over the X5 G05 LCI.

In basic trim X5 has a nicer interior. Spend >10.000$ on trim options and the Porsche is better.
The trunk is a lot smaller on the Cayenne. And a lot less rear legroom. Overall the Cayenne felt smaller.

Never noticed the 'bubbly' front until test driving the Cayenne. Didn't like it and I can't unsee it now. I feel that the design with the Cayenne is already a bit outdated.

With options the Cayenne was easily 25.000$ more than the X5. On top of that I was getting a 18% B2B discount with BMW. Porsche only gave 7%. (very common in EU).

[hotvee]

I would suggest to collect opinions at Porsche’s forum as well and make your own conclusions, here you’ll get mostly bmw biased thoughts.

Speaking about the price, yes X5 is cheaper but the depreciation rate is worse. It’s more or less generally recognized that Cayenne drives and handles better, but PCM loses to idrive. Worth it or not 20-30k premium - is purely individual, you can’t measure amount of better steering in $$$ for everyone.

[SwissBeemer]

Originally Posted by W0ut

Overall the Cayenne felt smaller.

Because it is.

Originally Posted by hotvee

Speaking about the price, yes X5 is cheaper but the depreciation rate is worse.

A lot of people seem to forget this. If you don't drive a car until it's dead your actual costs after selling it will be depreciation + financing/opportunity costs. A car that is 200k new and 180k after 4 years will be a lot cheaper than a car that is 100k new but 40k when you sell it 4 years later, even when including financing/opportunity costs.

[BeEmVee]

Originally Posted by SwissBeemer

A lot of people seem to forget this. If you don't drive a car until it's dead your actual costs after selling it will be depreciation + financing/opportunity costs. A car that is 200k new and 180k after 4 years will be a lot cheaper than a car that is 100k new but 40k when you sell it 4 years later, even when including financing/opportunity costs.

Good point on depreciation, but the Cayenne and X5 depreciate at similar levels, with a slight edge to the Cayenne. Luxury SUVs in general depreciate pretty quickly. No Cayenne only loses 10% in 4 years when an X5 loses 60%. Plus, all the taxes and ongoing registration fees depending where you live are much higher on a more expensive vehicle (I assume that’s what you mean by financing/opportunity costs). But my inquiry was about the quality of materials and driving experience, not about price since that is a clear difference. BMW seems to be really stepping it up in the fit and finish department.

[BeEmVee]

Originally Posted by hotvee

Worth it or not 20-30k premium - is purely individual, you can’t measure amount of better steering in $$$ for everyone.

Well said! I personally have a hard time “feeling” the difference of good handling vs bad and I’ve driven a wide variety of vehicles. I find that the driver gets used to how a car behaves and adjusts the driving style to match it best.

[SwissBeemer]

Originally Posted by BeEmVee

Luxury SUVs in general depreciate pretty quickly. No Cayenne only loses 10% in 4 years when an X5 loses 60%.

It was more intended as a general reminder and example, not saying it would apply to the comparison of Cayenne/X5 specifically. It will be cheaper to own a GT2 RS than an X3 M40i simply because the GT2 RS will actually be worth more after 4 years. (At least that's the case in Germany. Depending on miles driven of course.)

Originally Posted by BeEmVee

Plus, all the taxes and ongoing registration fees depending where you live are much higher on a more expensive vehicle (I assume that’s what you mean by financing/opportunity costs)

No I mean the cost of putting up the money for the car. You either finance the car then it is whatever you are paying in interest (plus opportunity costs for whatever down-payment you have) or you pay cash, which still leaves you with implicit/opportunity costs since you could also use this money for an investment instead, so you are losing out on gains that you would've had otherwise. (E.g. when financing instead.)

So even if the depreciation and all the other costs are the same a 200k car bought cash will leave you off worse financially after 5 years than a 100k car because you could invest the 100k difference and make let's say 8%/year on it. Those missed 8% obviously also apply to the 100k car but on a 200k car it's well ... Double that.

"Dead capital" always costs you the returns you aren't making with it.

[Mattl0806]

Sorry - but the exact arguments that the cayenne isn’t worth the price increase can be made for the x5 when compared to any lesser / cheaper competitors. This is very subjective where the line on cost / value is drawn. I’m sure people on Kia/Hyundai forums are saying the same about the x5 as what’s being said above about the Cayenne.
Kinda silly.
For me - that subjective comparison- base to base the x5 is better value for the purpose of those 2 cars. Go up the m60 - I’ll take the cayenne S any day as the handling and overall driving experience is second to none and worth the premium (IMO!!)

I’d check the backseat rear legroom again - I obsessed over this having 2 small kids and car seats. It’s very well known the x5 is pretty much worst in class and despite the cayenne being a smaller I found the cayenne having noticeable more rear legroom for every seat configuration I test drove one in. Others have also verified this.

[slilley]

Cayenne has far more leg room for the back seat passengers. The X5 might have a wider back seat for slightly better comfort when you've got three small people in the back and leg room is not a factor. The X5 is a much bigger vehicle than the Cayenne, but the interior of the X5 doesn't feel proportionally larger than the Cayenne. The tech in the X5 is hands-down the winner. To get a comparably-equipped Cayenne, it would have been $16K to $20K more than the X5. I ended up getting the X5, even though I would have definitely preferred the Cayenne's driving dynamics. Both are great cars!

[SwissBeemer]

Originally Posted by slilley

The X5 is a much bigger vehicle than the Cayenne, but the interior of the X5 doesn't feel proportionally larger than the Cayenne.

The G05 is almost exactly as long as the new Cayenne, 0.83" wider and 2.24" taller.

(L x W x H)
Cayenne 2024: 194" x 78" x 67"
X5 G05: 194" x 79" x 69"

Seems the 2024 Cayenne grew quite a bit.

[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by SwissBeemer

The G05 is almost exactly as long as the new Cayenne, 0.83" wider and 2.24" taller.

(L x W x H)
Cayenne 2024: 194" x 78" x 67"
X5 G05: 194" x 79" x 69"

Seems the 2024 Cayenne grew quite a bit.

Yea the new one does look a lot bigger and chunkier. Haven’t gone for a close up or seen the inside, but at a quick glance I find myself preferring the pre refresh.

Worth noting, I felt the same about the x5 LCI and now I think it looks better and wouldn’t ever think about getting a pre LCI again. Pre Lci already Looks dated to me now.

[cobramite]

Originally Posted by BeEmVee

Well said! I personally have a hard time “feeling” the difference of good handling vs bad and I’ve driven a wide variety of vehicles. I find that the driver gets used to how a car behaves and adjusts the driving style to match it best.

Exactly, we've had 2 Cayennes and went directly from one to an X5 M50i and experienced no noticeable difference in "handling" between the two as both were quite good especially for heavy rides.
Overall I prefer the X5 M50i and our current X6 M60i over the 2 Cayennes we have owned. They are all damn nice with the M60i being outstanding and clearly the best of these four. Our '22 Macan GTS with a Cobb Accessport tune to near 500HP is another animal being much lighter with outstanding handling and hard acceleration similar to the M60i minus the big off idle torque of the BMW TTV8 but much smaller and not my 1st choice.

Porsche clearly does not compete on price and that has never been more true than it is today. The '24 Cayenne S(TTV8 now) came out to a hair under $140,000 as I spec'd vs 100K for the M60i that we purchased recently. I like Porsches, love 911s but this '24 Cayenne S is not worth 40%($40,000) more than the X6 M60i that I bought.
Keep in mind that the average person will not notice any difference between the appearances of the updated Cayenne and X5/X6 vs the prior model.
100% agree with an earlier statement in thread about the Cayenne being essentially a tweaked Audi. Ya want a real Porsche get a 911 but bring a fully loaded wallet as they have gone well north on price.

[mattsrs]

My story is 2019 X5 > 2022 Cayenne > 2024 X5 and I miss my Cayenne so much! this should tell you what you need to know lol X5 has better engine and base to base (no options added), X5 cabin feels a bit more upscale (but you can option Cayenne to make it more luxurious) Everything else Cayenne does better.

I think most of us just want to try different things which is why someone may find X5 great if they come from many years of owning a Cayenne or vice versa. But having had both, I will probably go back to Cayenne soon but just a bit annoyed that they cheapened out the interior after refresh. Looking into Range rover sport also.

Regarding price difference, Porsche is a more premium brand and you pay that premium to drive a Porsche and being a "good value" is not a factor in a luxury purchase. Good value is Telluride or something like that.

[Skimo612]

Nothing new to add here. We recently went through the shop/buy with these two vehicles and chose the BMW. Both are nice. I like the Porsche steering better. But I feel like the Cayenne is no longer the unique option it once was.

If you want a Porsche, get a 911 or Box/Cayman.
If you want a sporty SUV, there are many options now.

[cobramite]

I am very glad to be back in a BMW SUV after 2 Cayennes and a Macan GTS. The Porsche price delta for comparible SUVs has been there but is now at a point that is totally unjustified. My current '24 X6 is significantly more refined with way better electronics etc. You really have to be looking for or needing the Porsche badge to go that direction at least for an SUV. The 911 is different story and always has been.

[rainmn60]

I owned a Cayenne S for approx 6 year. Bought it new. It was a great car until it wasn’t. After approx 60,000 miles, I had issues with the drivetrain that ultimately became a known issue involved in recalls and lawsuits after I traded it in. Porsche didn’t back their product during the issue and was charging an absorbent amount of money (approx $5,000-8,000) to fix the issue. My past experience with BMW is that they stand behind their product and I switch back. No regrets.

My Porsche was a costly vehicle to own. It cost me much more in service and maintenance compared to BMWs.

Don’t get me wrong, Porsche puts out a good and nice looking product. You’re paying for it and will continue to pay for it.

[cobramite]

Originally Posted by rainmn60

I owned a Cayenne S for approx 6 year. Bought it new. It was a great car until it wasn’t. After approx 60,000 miles, I had issues with the drivetrain that ultimately became a known issue involved in recalls and lawsuits after I traded it in. Porsche didn’t back their product during the issue and was charging an absorbent amount of money (approx $5,000-8,000) to fix the issue. My past experience with BMW is that they stand behind their product and I switch back. No regrets.

My Porsche was a costly vehicle to own. It cost me much more in service and maintenance compared to BMWs.

Don’t get me wrong, Porsche puts out a good and nice looking product. You’re paying for it and will continue to pay for it.

This absolutely spot on. I've owned more than a few Porsche vehicles and can 100% agree about Porsche service which is extremely high priced actually abusive and quite regular in most cases especially after the initial warranty period. You do NOT want to own a porsche without a warranty. Ask me how I know that.
There are people who wave the Porsche banner and sing their prasies but have not walked the walk with Porsche products.

[Eric500]

I posted this on the Cayenne forum and thought you all would find it useful as well. I know BMW is guilty of some cost cutting over the years, but Porsche really went below and beyond on the 24 refresh:

part 2: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8JnbdhE/

part 3: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8JnHXn2/