Is there another way to get a smoother ride....

bobbis1 · 09-24-2021, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by schaeffs888

I think you may be talking about three different Michelin tyres.

The Michelin PS4Ss are the better and stickier version of the Pirelli P-Zero's - I have both of them on two different cars and the PS4Ss have a slightly better ride and are definitely better grip and feedback wise.

The Michelin PS4s are a more all-round oriented tyre and trade ultimate grip for comfort. I have never tried these tyres but from people I know who have its a very good all-round tyre but not in the same league grip wise as the PS4S.

The Michelin PS4 SUV tyre is a new SUV oriented tyre. It's been specifically developed for heavier sporty cars like our X5s but there's not a massive amount of data on it but what is out there is pretty good. It looks as though its somewhere in between the PS4S and the PS4 grip wise with construction to take into account heavier cars.

https://www.michelin.co.uk/auto/tyre...ot-sport-4-suv

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/...-Tyre-Test.htm

What was the oem tire for the car?

schaeffs888 · 09-24-2021, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bobbis1

What was the oem tire for the car?

Both the P-Zero and MP4S come in * (BMW) fitments for the X5M but its a lottery at the gate as to what you get. I received P-Zeros...

Turbobusa · 09-24-2021, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by schaeffs888

I think you may be talking about three different Michelin tyres.

The Michelin PS4Ss are the better and stickier version of the Pirelli P-Zero's - I have both of them on two different cars and the PS4Ss have a slightly better ride and are definitely better grip and feedback wise.

The Michelin PS4s are a more all-round oriented tyre and trade ultimate grip for comfort. I have never tried these tyres but from people I know who have its a very good all-round tyre but not in the same league grip wise as the PS4S.

The Michelin PS4 SUV tyre is a new SUV oriented tyre. It's been specifically developed for heavier sporty cars like our X5s but there's not a massive amount of data on it but what is out there is pretty good. It looks as though its somewhere in between the PS4S and the PS4 grip wise with construction to take into account heavier cars.

https://www.michelin.co.uk/auto/tyre...ot-sport-4-suv

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/...-Tyre-Test.htm

Thanks for the info, im gonna go with the PS4S because the PS4 isn't available in the size i want. I would also give up some grip for comfort. I hope these arent as sticky as the pirellies i currently have.

Turbobusa · 09-27-2021, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by schaeffs888

Have you seen the 808Ms in person? I have them as a Winter set up and they look fantastic in real life IMO - I really like them. The don't photograph very well as they are a dark grey...

I actually have the 808Ms on my X5M, its not my favorite wheel but i think Ill hold on to them until something else comes along that i like better. Ive looked at HRE and Vossen but only a few designs I like. I like the FF01 but its not recommended for the X5 because of the weight.

-cj- · 09-28-2021, 12:25 AM

The PS4's are an all season, while the PS4S is a summer performance tire. More importantly, is the little known fact that the PS4S star spec tires are actually using special compounds that put it between the regular PS4S tires and the Cup2's.. no idea what that means for comfort, but choose your poison wisely

Silververtu · 09-29-2021, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by -cj-

The PS4's are an all season, while the PS4S is a summer performance tire. More importantly, is the little known fact that the PS4S star spec tires are actually using special compounds that put it between the regular PS4S tires and the Cup2's.. no idea what that means for comfort, but choose your poison wisely

Both Pilot Sport 4 (PS4) and Pilot Sport 4S (PS4S) are summer tires.

PS4
https://m.tirerack.com/tires/tires.j...=Pilot+Sport+4

PS4S
https://m.tirerack.com/tires/tires.j...Pilot+Sport+4S

There is also a Pilot Sport All Season 4 (PS AS4) which is all season tires.

https://m.tirerack.com/tires/tires.j...t+All+Season+4

Turbobusa · 09-29-2021, 06:06 PM

Im having a hard time finding a place that has the PS4 SUV Michelins in stock. Specifically the 315/40/21. Im being told 30 to 90 days...

bobbis1 · 10-25-2021, 04:32 PM

Any updates?

Turbobusa · 10-26-2021, 06:29 AM

Just found a company who has the rears (315/40/21) Michelin pilot sport 4SUV tires in stock. Tire rack & discount tire have the front (295/40/21) but had the rears on backorder for some time now. I will be ordering today. Hopefully have them on by the 4th because I have a trip to take and want to try them out.

bobbis1 · 10-26-2021, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Turbobusa

Just found a company who has the rears (315/40/21) Michelin pilot sport 4SUV tires in stock. Tire rack & discount tire have the front (295/40/21) but had the rears on backorder for some time now. I will be ordering today. Hopefully have them on by the 4th because I have a trip to take and want to try them out.

Looking forward to results- you have stock suspension right?

Turbobusa · 10-26-2021, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by bobbis1

Looking forward to results- you have stock suspension right?

Yep.

Alan l. · 10-27-2021, 09:26 AM

When i switched from the Pirelli to the Michelin OE tires the only place that had them in stock was dealer (Tischer BMW). Never thought to buy tires from the dealer honestly but they had them. Slightly more expensive than TR but wasn't absurd and they had them in stock.

Turbobusa · 10-28-2021, 06:28 PM

Tires arrived today. Im trying to get them installed on Wednesday. I will have some factory size pirelli tires for sale in a bit.

nZtiZia · 10-28-2021, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Turbobusa

I like the FF01 but its not recommended for the X5 because of the weight.

too light or too heavy?

Turbobusa · 10-28-2021, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by nZtiZia

too light or too heavy?

When i called the rep told me the weight of the X5 is too heavy for that wheel

Turbobusa · 11-06-2021, 11:44 AM

Finally got the tires installed. I can say the ride is definitely smoother than the Pirelli's. Its not a big change, but there is a noticeable difference. They knock off that hard edge the Pirelli's had. I only drove about 20 miles on them so far so i cant say a lot about grip, however, they are not as sticky as the Pirelli's. I have a 400 mile trip coming up next week so i will know more then. Here are some before & after pics. I'm running 12mm & 20MM spacers. The Michelins definitely have a different look, especially the rears. They stick out more that the Pirelli's. There is absolutely no rubbing at full lock steering. Im not sure about suspension travel rubbing at full lock, but what i did in the parking lot, there was no rubbing. The sidewall on the rear looks exaggerated in the photos. Ill see how they look after I put the white paint on them.

Chas8283 · 11-06-2021, 12:16 PM

Interesting. Can you remind us which tires you bought - are they the same outside diameter as factory spec (they look taller but maybe that's difference in sidewall design?), do they have the same speed rating front and rear? I considered switching to A/S Pirellis as TireRack had them available in the correct sizes but speed rating was different front to rear so I decided to stop bellyaching about buying winter set (which was what the problem I was trying to solve). I know we were trying to solve for different problems, but I didn't know there was a Michelin option.

Turbobusa · 11-06-2021, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Chas8283

Interesting. Can you remind us which tires you bought - are they the same outside diameter as factory spec (they look taller but maybe that's difference in sidewall design?)

Factory 21”setup
Pirelli P-ZERO
Tire size front = 295/35 R21-------Wheels = 21x10.5 [29.1” Diameter tire]
Tire size rear = 315/35 R21------- Wheels = 21x11.5 [29.7” Diameter tire]
Plus 2% difference larger tire in the rear.

My New 21” setup
Michelin Pilot Sport 4SUV 21” $1698
Tire size front = 295/40 R21 [30.3” Diameter tire] (1.2” taller than factory)
Tire size rear = 315/40 R21 [30.9” Diameter tire] (1.2” taller than factory)
Plus 2% difference larger tire in the rear.

Outside diameter is larger by 1.2 inches. The delta from front to rear hasn't changed. Not sure about the speed rating

bobbis1 · 11-06-2021, 07:43 PM

Weirdly the rears look kind of narrow? I’m interested in the same setup when I swap back from winters but I’m nervous w mss that I won’t have the clearance.

Turbobusa · 11-07-2021, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by bobbis1

Weirdly the rears look kind of narrow? I’m interested in the same setup when I swap back from winters but I’m nervous w mss that I won’t have the clearance.

They do seem narrow in the photo. I wish i had a similar picture with the Pirelli. How much of a drop do you have?

bobbis1 · 11-07-2021, 04:14 PM

Hard to tell from perspective maybe the lowered exaggerates?
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Do I even have an inch of extra room to fit them? Would rather not take the car back to have it raised and realigned.
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Chas8283 · 11-07-2021, 06:05 PM

bobbis1 What did you end up doing for winters? Or per above are you still working that out?

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Turbobusa First Lieutenant 155 Rep 306 Posts Drives: BMW X5 Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Charleston iTrader: (0)	Im having a hard time finding a place that has the PS4 SUV Michelins in stock. Specifically the 315/40/21. Im being told 30 to 90 days...
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Turbobusa First Lieutenant 155 Rep 306 Posts Drives: BMW X5 Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Charleston iTrader: (0)	Just found a company who has the rears (315/40/21) Michelin pilot sport 4SUV tires in stock. Tire rack & discount tire have the front (295/40/21) but had the rears on backorder for some time now. I will be ordering today. Hopefully have them on by the 4th because I have a trip to take and want to try them out.
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Alan l. Major General 5434 Rep 8,805 Posts Drives: 2020 F95 X5M Competition Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: United States iTrader: (9)	When i switched from the Pirelli to the Michelin OE tires the only place that had them in stock was dealer (Tischer BMW). Never thought to buy tires from the dealer honestly but they had them. Slightly more expensive than TR but wasn't absurd and they had them in stock. __________________
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Turbobusa First Lieutenant 155 Rep 306 Posts Drives: BMW X5 Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Charleston iTrader: (0)	Tires arrived today. Im trying to get them installed on Wednesday. I will have some factory size pirelli tires for sale in a bit.
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Turbobusa First Lieutenant 155 Rep 306 Posts Drives: BMW X5 Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Charleston iTrader: (0)	Finally got the tires installed. I can say the ride is definitely smoother than the Pirelli's. Its not a big change, but there is a noticeable difference. They knock off that hard edge the Pirelli's had. I only drove about 20 miles on them so far so i cant say a lot about grip, however, they are not as sticky as the Pirelli's. I have a 400 mile trip coming up next week so i will know more then. Here are some before & after pics. I'm running 12mm & 20MM spacers. The Michelins definitely have a different look, especially the rears. They stick out more that the Pirelli's. There is absolutely no rubbing at full lock steering. Im not sure about suspension travel rubbing at full lock, but what i did in the parking lot, there was no rubbing. The sidewall on the rear looks exaggerated in the photos. Ill see how they look after I put the white paint on them. Attached Images
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Chas8283 Lieutenant 352 Rep 442 Posts Drives: BMW X5M Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: NYC iTrader: (0)	Interesting. Can you remind us which tires you bought - are they the same outside diameter as factory spec (they look taller but maybe that's difference in sidewall design?), do they have the same speed rating front and rear? I considered switching to A/S Pirellis as TireRack had them available in the correct sizes but speed rating was different front to rear so I decided to stop bellyaching about buying winter set (which was what the problem I was trying to solve). I know we were trying to solve for different problems, but I didn't know there was a Michelin option.
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bobbis1 Private First Class 128 Rep 196 Posts Drives: M5 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: NJ iTrader: (0)	Weirdly the rears look kind of narrow? I’m interested in the same setup when I swap back from winters but I’m nervous w mss that I won’t have the clearance.
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bobbis1 Private First Class 128 Rep 196 Posts Drives: M5 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: NJ iTrader: (0)	Hard to tell from perspective maybe the lowered exaggerates? Do I even have an inch of extra room to fit them? Would rather not take the car back to have it raised and realigned.
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Chas8283 Lieutenant 352 Rep 442 Posts Drives: BMW X5M Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: NYC iTrader: (0)	bobbis1 What did you end up doing for winters? Or per above are you still working that out?
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