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Highly recommend upgrading the HiFi system with Focals, if you want to take it to the next level, get the Focals ES100K.

You can buy either setup from European distributors for ~1k or less, depending on which set you pick.
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Highly recommend upgrading the HiFi system with Focals, if you want to take it to the next level, get the Focals ES100K.

You can buy either setup from European distributors for ~1k or less, depending on which set you pick.
Could you please point me toward one of these European Distributors? For $1K I'd love to upgrade...
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Thank you for input and reassurance on the BavSound upgrade - any chance you would be able to tell me which plastic door retainer clips you bought? I looked them up on Amazon and there's a ton of different types/brands.

I don't want to mess around with the subwoofers either, that's for certain.
I used Rexka trim panel retainer clip 51-41-7-325-082 for BMWG20 G30 F90 G31 X3 X4 X5 X7 Z4
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Thank you for input and reassurance on the BavSound upgrade - any chance you would be able to tell me which plastic door retainer clips you bought? I looked them up on Amazon and there's a ton of different types/brands.

I don't want to mess around with the subwoofers either, that's for certain.
I used Rexka trim panel retainer clip 51-41-7-325-082 for BMWG20 G30 F90 G31 X3 X4 X5 X7 Z4
Thank you!
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Highly recommend upgrading the HiFi system with Focals, if you want to take it to the next level, get the Focals ES100K.

You can buy either setup from European distributors for ~1k or less, depending on which set you pick.
That's crazy price for those Focal's! You're taking about true high end speakers. Would the HiFi amps be able to drive those speakers?
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I had bavsounds in my '22 g05. Honestly I felt that I missed having some tweeters in the rear, even though I was sitting in the front. I also found myself turning the treble all the way up. I felt like some music sounded great, but something was missing in others.

I switched to the focal insides yesterday and now I'm very happy. I turned the treble down a ways and it sounds awesome.

I also have the bimmertech amp driving them.
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I've seen this behavior since joining after a long absence from BMW forums.

If you believed the hype everyone should…

- PPF as much of their car as they can afford
- replace the stereo system
- install a down pipe
- replace the exhaust
- replace the charge pipe and other one
- replace the inter cooler
- and on and on

Then when someone has a problem with one of these mods like a down pipe you find out just how many folk didn't install one
that used to be me. Then I learned after opening my empty wallet, I had the same car with $20,000 worth of bling which pretty much didnt live up to the hype.
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that used to be me. Then I learned after opening my empty wallet, I had the same car with $20,000 worth of bling which pretty much didnt live up to the hype.
and it only detracted from the resale instead of adding to it

I think too many folks want to be "influencers".
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I've seen this behavior since joining after a long absence from BMW forums.

If you believed the hype everyone should…

- PPF as much of their car as they can afford
- replace the stereo system
- install a down pipe
- replace the exhaust
- replace the charge pipe and other one
- replace the inter cooler
- and on and on

Then when someone has a problem with one of these mods like a down pipe you find out just how many folk didn't install one
that used to be me. Then I learned after opening my empty wallet, I had the same car with $20,000 worth of bling which pretty much didnt live up to the hype.
Yes, is hype and some just improve the experience. To me personally, the audio experience is important. It's like some people are fine watching a movie on a 77 inch OLED with the built in speakers and others are not. In the end, a car is an experience and experiences effect multiple senses…some would spend $2K on an individual paint, some on audio etc.

FWIW, even if you get the B&W OEM speakers, you won't get it back in resale value. So you are still doing it for the experience more so than the value…

My 2 cents worth.
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There's a phenomenon on forums where someone will install something and be super excited about it, and thus exaggerate the outcome/benefits. Other posters see that response and start repeating it in other threads. Doesn't take long before the general consensus on a product is a bit warped. I see this with the Bavsound....it's a stage 1 upgrade, meaning it will be an improvement but not earth shattering. Bavsound themselves would probably tell you that.
I've seen this behavior since joining after a long absence from BMW forums.

If you believed the hype everyone should…

- PPF as much of their car as they can afford
- replace the stereo system
- install a down pipe
- replace the exhaust
- replace the charge pipe and other one
- replace the inter cooler
- and on and on

Then when someone has a problem with one of these mods like a down pipe you find out just how many folk didn't install one
It's a question of perspective. For some any improvement is a big deal. Plus, on this forum, I see many/majority people have fully loaded cars. In the real world most X5s I see are not even M Sport…

On this forum there are people asking, which version should they buy and they end up with the M50i. In the real world people have a budget and buy within that budget - not a $30K price difference. At least from people I know, it would be rare to find anyone who set out to buy a car for $70K and then ended up with one for $100K! That's just 30K lying around…

The concept of budget is different in the real world and in a forum….

My 2 cents worth…
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Yes, is hype and some just improve the experience. To me personally, the audio experience is important. It's like some people are fine watching a movie on a 77 inch OLED with the built in speakers and others are not. In the end, a car is an experience and experiences effect multiple senses…some would spend $2K on an individual paint, some on audio etc.

FWIW, even if you get the B&W OEM speakers, you won't get it back in resale value. So you are still doing it for the experience more so than the value…

My 2 cents worth.
I'm not too crazy about audio but I do have decent systems and home theater at home. For me, I'd rather wait for a movie to be out and enjoy in my clean room with friends/family. Not young anymore Back to the speakers... With Bav, you can take them out and sell once it's time. So the experience is even less.
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I had bavsounds in my '22 g05. Honestly I felt that I missed having some tweeters in the rear, even though I was sitting in the front. I also found myself turning the treble all the way up. I felt like some music sounded great, but something was missing in others.
That's very interesting. I did by steps so I got the center in first. Once it was in, I had to turn treble all the way down to please the ears. I had all the way up on the HiFi. Looking at the sizes of the filters, one would expect some significant difference but I didn't expect this much. But when everything was swapped out, I no longer feel this way. I can turn it up to 75% no problem. Somehow the excess treble just disappeared.
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Highly recommend upgrading the HiFi system with Focals, if you want to take it to the next level, get the Focals ES100K.

You can buy either setup from European distributors for ~1k or less, depending on which set you pick.
That's crazy price for those Focal's! You're taking about true high end speakers. Would the HiFi amps be able to drive those speakers?
You may want to upgrade the amp as well, will wait couple of months before upgrading the amp. Waiting for the second Focal subwoofer, only speaker left to upgrade. Btw, I did not go with the ES100k because I did not know that was an option at the time.
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Highly recommend upgrading the HiFi system with Focals, if you want to take it to the next level, get the Focals ES100K.

You can buy either setup from European distributors for ~1k or less, depending on which set you pick.
That's crazy price for those Focal's! You're taking about true high end speakers. Would the HiFi amps be able to drive those speakers?
You may want to upgrade the amp as well, will wait couple of months before upgrading the amp. Waiting for the second Focal subwoofer, only speaker left to upgrade. Btw, I did not go with the ES100k because I did not know that was an option at the time.
The Focal dealer who installed mine did recommend the ES series. But they were crazy expensive! They were installing them in an X7 with JL Audio subs (if I recall correctly). (Dravit) Grey X7 50i, all blacked out, fully loaded, brand new! Apparently this guy always got after market audio on all his cars…
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There's a phenomenon on forums where someone will install something and be super excited about it, and thus exaggerate the outcome/benefits. Other posters see that response and start repeating it in other threads. Doesn't take long before the general consensus on a product is a bit warped. I see this with the Bavsound....it's a stage 1 upgrade, meaning it will be an improvement but not earth shattering. Bavsound themselves would probably tell you that.
I've seen this behavior since joining after a long absence from BMW forums.

If you believed the hype everyone should…

- PPF as much of their car as they can afford
- replace the stereo system
- install a down pipe
- replace the exhaust
- replace the charge pipe and other one
- replace the inter cooler
- and on and on

Then when someone has a problem with one of these mods like a down pipe you find out just how many folk didn't install one
It's a question of perspective. For some any improvement is a big deal. Plus, on this forum, I see many/majority people have fully loaded cars. In the real world most X5s I see are not even M Sport…

On this forum there are people asking, which version should they buy and they end up with the M50i. In the real world people have a budget and buy within that budget - not a $30K price difference. At least from people I know, it would be rare to find anyone who set out to buy a car for $70K and then ended up with one for $100K! That's just 30K lying around…

The concept of budget is different in the real world and in a forum….

My 2 cents worth…
I agree. IMHO in the end it's all a question of personal choice and preference, whatever floats your boat kind of thing.

I mean, even the M Sport package is a cosmetic package, which some may dig and some others may not - nothing wrong with that. Perhaps those in the latter camp prefer to spend their money in different "improvements" that make more of a difference to them. To each their own, I guess.

Clearly if we were talking about a true M, then it would be a completely different story but (to your point) it would come at a very different price point and with different characteristics: awesome performance but less comfort than other models.

And the same goes for several other items on the list: for some glass controls are a cool thing to have, for others upgrading a not-so-great base hi-fi system is the way to go and more desirable than glass controls. Some would not even consider any leather below Merino or have a kick out of paying extra for an individual color: that's awesome, because it makes their X5 special and it makes them happy and excited whenever they see it. Others may prefer to spend their money on PPF'ing their car and/or ceramic coating it: I think that's just as great if that's what makes them happy.

Just to use a specific example: personally I love nZtiZia's matte PPF wrap: I think that not only does it make his X5 really special, it also provides valuable protection as was the case when it saved his paint from a nasty scratch which would have cost him a pretty penny to fix. I see no hype there, but a choice that makes a lot of sense, at least to me.

Just my additional 2 cents
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Highly recommend upgrading the HiFi system with Focals, if you want to take it to the next level, get the Focals ES100K.

You can buy either setup from European distributors for ~1k or less, depending on which set you pick.
That's crazy price for those Focal's! You're taking about true high end speakers. Would the HiFi amps be able to drive those speakers?
You may want to upgrade the amp as well, will wait couple of months before upgrading the amp. Waiting for the second Focal subwoofer, only speaker left to upgrade. Btw, I did not go with the ES100k because I did not know that was an option at the time.
The Focal dealer who installed mine did recommend the ES series. But they were crazy expensive! They were installing them in an X7 with JL Audio subs (if I recall correctly). (Dravit) Grey X7 50i, all blacked out, fully loaded, brand new! Apparently this guy always got after market audio on all his cars…
$450 shipped from Europe, my question now is, for those with the HiFi system, can you run these in the rear without using the tweeters? You can install them up front without any problems.
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$450 shipped from Europe, my question now is, for those with the HiFi system, can you run these in the rear without using the tweeters? You can install them up front without any problems.
How are the tweeters connected? Bavsound's tweeters take signal from the mid range and filter off the low end frequencies. So basically signal coming to stock tweeters is disregarded. If the system is OK with Bavsound, I would think you can ditch the tweeters for the rear.
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Thank you.

My local BMW dealer has consistently been unhelpful and delivered poor service, and their service people are no exception. I spoke to Justin at BavSound, who on the other hand has been super-helpful, and he told me that many (most?) BMW dealers would do the install no problem.

Regarding third-party installers, I was surprised at how many of them said they would not touch a newer BMW.

I now have a confirmed appointment with one installer who said he'd do it in two weeks: fingers crossed that he doesn't cancel on me. We'll see.
Why wouldn't they touch a newer BMW? Newer as in 2022 or G05 generation?
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Thank you.

My local BMW dealer has consistently been unhelpful and delivered poor service, and their service people are no exception. I spoke to Justin at BavSound, who on the other hand has been super-helpful, and he told me that many (most?) BMW dealers would do the install no problem.

Regarding third-party installers, I was surprised at how many of them said they would not touch a newer BMW.

I now have a confirmed appointment with one installer who said he'd do it in two weeks: fingers crossed that he doesn't cancel on me. We'll see.
Why wouldn't they touch a newer BMW? Newer as in 2022 or G05 generation?
No, I meant G05 generation: they say that they are too complex and they don't have the expertise to work on them… Took me totally by surprise :
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The expertise needed to pop off door panels and plug in speakers?
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The expertise needed to pop off door panels and plug in speakers?

Yeah, it's a pretty simple job (I didn't do the sub). There's great videos on YouTube. Get a plastic tool to help pop off the clips.
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The expertise needed to pop off door panels and plug in speakers?

Yeah, it's a pretty simple job (I didn't do the sub). There's great videos on YouTube. Get a plastic tool to help pop off the clips.
I second that, I replaced all speakers in my HiFi system with the exception of the second subwoofer, have not received it yet. At this point I can replace front/rear/center speaker in 20 minutes each. Subwoofer takes an hour.
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How are feeling about the sub? I did all the others with Focal but not the subs (yet).
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