45e - Order to Delivery timeframe - any good guesses?

jad03060 · 10-22-2021, 04:57 PM

As has been said numerous times...it all depends on when the next available build slot your dealer already has and is willing to assign it to you. New ones don't just pop up magically. Since he already knows when his allocation slots are, it shouldn't be a big deal for him to give you a good idea when it would be built, and he can give you an estimate on how long it typically takes for delivery to his shop. What he can't do is tell you what day of the week it will be built, but once in awhile, things do slide one way or the other, but if they move, it's usually sooner from my limited experience, unless there's an unexpected supply issue to the factory. Keep in mind that BMW has a lot of the parts made by other vendors, and while they have contractual leverage, shit happens like a pandemic and shipping delays.

jlgs2000 · 10-22-2021, 05:16 PM

My experience echoes the advice here. If the dealer actually has an allocation for a 45e then you should get a production number rather quickly. If you don't have a number within the first week start asking questions. My wife and I put a deposit down to order a 45e on 9/16 and eventually found out the dealer did not actually have an allocation for the vehicle. They were not really honest and just assumed they would get additional allocations because they had gotten them in previous months. As it turns out they didn't get an allocation in October or November for a 45e. So luckily we were able to catch an unspoken for X7 M50i that was about to be built.

allinon72 · 10-22-2021, 05:21 PM

Also keep in mind that dealers without allocations will take your order and attempt to trade with other dealers with allocations. Of course they aren't always successful in doing that and certainly won't tell you that's their plan.

You MUST insist on a production number immediately, not in a day, not in a week, immediately, if you want to ensure your order will actually be fulfilled in a timely manner.

totalone · 10-22-2021, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GS2019

Hi I'm placing an order for 45e (thank you all for your suggestions and help). If I order this week, when do you think it'll arrive to my local dealership for pickup?

We just got ours yesterday. We order it about 3 months ago give or take week. So I think if you will order right now you will get it in mid Jan if not before Christmas.

jad03060 · 10-22-2021, 06:09 PM

Unless the dealer has an existing order he is willing to change to your specifications, he cannot get a production number 'immediately'. The order must be accepted by corporate, and depending on the timing (weekend, after hours, etc.), it might take a few days.

The dealer doesn't have to use an allocation, but generally will in this environment, or barter it with another dealership. I think it would be rare to have 'extra' ones floating around today...there's more demand than there are vehicles out there.

10101X5 · 10-22-2021, 07:14 PM

Could this be part of the delay?

jad03060 · 10-22-2021, 08:11 PM

FWIW, that price is, and has been near normal for much of Europe for a long time! That's one reason why they tend to have smaller, more efficient vehicles as the norm. Yes, there are people that can afford less efficient vehicles, but it's also why diesels (were) so big...caught in traffic, a diesel sips fuel compared to a gasoline fired engine. Keep in mind that there's about 10% more energy per gallon in diesel versus gasoline, so that's also a reason why they can be more efficient, at least on a per volume basis (not counting refining, or other issues).

91Eunos · 10-22-2021, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by calbears

The big question is whether your dealer have an allocation?

If they do, what week will it be produced?

This.

GrussGott · 10-22-2021, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jad03060

Unless the dealer has an existing order he is willing to change to your specifications, he cannot get a production number 'immediately'. ...or barter it with another dealership.

Yup from what I can tell, at least during September, dealers are config'ing and ordering vehicles as soon as their allocations are released, and then updating the configs if a customer shows up.

One year ago that didn't seem to be the case, as dealers wouldn't submit the build until you actually committed to the order ... since I"m assuming they either had plenty on the lot and/or in production. Just about every dealer wanted to sell a car off the lot ...

or that's how it seemed anyway ...

91Eunos · 10-22-2021, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by allinon72

Also keep in mind that dealers without allocations will take your order and attempt to trade with other dealers with allocations. Of course they aren't always successful in doing that and certainly won't tell you that's their plan.

You MUST insist on a production number immediately, not in a day, not in a week, immediately, if you want to ensure your order will actually be fulfilled in a timely manner.

…and also, this.

Ask me how I know… click ->

calbears · 10-22-2021, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jad03060

Unless the dealer has an existing order he is willing to change to your specifications, he cannot get a production number 'immediately'. The order must be accepted by corporate, and depending on the timing (weekend, after hours, etc.), it might take a few days.

There is no need to have an order accepted by corporate. It's all automatic. If there is an available on order vehicle to modify, it already has a production number. An order put in the order bank does not have a production number and won't be moved to order accepted (111) until there is an available allocation. Usually the move from status 047 to 111 is automatic once allocations are released.

GrussGott · 10-23-2021, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by calbears

There is no need to have an order accepted by corporate. It's all automatic. If there is an available on order vehicle to modify, it already has a production number. An order put in the order bank does not have a production number and won't be moved to order accepted (111) until there is an available allocation. Usually the move from status 047 to 111 is automatic once allocations are released.

Sort of, even a 112 can move back depending on config - happened to me! So there does seem to be a review / acceptance process ... and back when I did an IM order that had to go to a "production committee"

coralsea · 10-23-2021, 01:49 AM

My X5 had been stuck in "In transit" for close to 20 days. I called BMW and they told me it is supposed to arrive at Richmond processing center on Oct 14th but apparently it didn't and they have no idea what happened.

GrussGott · 10-23-2021, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by coralsea

My X5 had been stuck in "In transit" for close to 20 days. I called BMW and they told me it is supposed to arrive at Richmond processing center on Oct 14th but apparently it didn't and they have no idea what happened.

Interesting ... I might be getting the same thing!

They basically told me to call back in November

any train crashes we should be looking in to ...

kingmonkeyjr · 10-23-2021, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Flying Ace

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Originally Posted by goobies818

I was about to say the same thing.

I'll give you my timeline.

July 18th finalized what i wanted as a buildout for my X5 M50i
July 24th: got production number
Aug 10: entered production (point of no return to make changes)
Aug 21: began its march down the assembly line and was completed that day
Aug 24: car started its cross-country train trip to CA
Sep 8th: Arrived at the San Bernardino hub
Sep 11th: in transit to dealership
Sep 18th: took delivery of car...smiles and super happy vibes have followed ever since

Congrats on the new ride...the wait is painful..especially when it leaves the plant and you can track the train's progress by calling Norfolk Southern and finding out what small town it has passed through

Wow. West coast delivery truly is 3 weeks huh? Btw, my production week is almost exactly 2 months to the date of your dates. Mine entered production on October 11 and assembly Oct 22. Like you, I'm really busy the week that it arrives. So I've pre-scheduled Nov 19 as my pickup date.

I really want this car before Thanksgiving

Mine went into production Oct 12 and haven't had status change to assembly line.

Flying Ace · 10-23-2021, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kingmonkeyjr

Mine went into production Oct 12 and haven't had status change to assembly line.

"Production Begins"? If so it'll probably change around after the 11-12th day.

I was only one day ahead of you, and I've been checking my status multiple times a day, and mine is as follows:

https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1859753

kingmonkeyjr · 10-23-2021, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Flying Ace

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Originally Posted by kingmonkeyjr

Mine went into production Oct 12 and haven't had status change to assembly line.

"Production Begins"? If so it'll probably change around after the 11th day

Yes been on production begins since 10/12

Flying Ace · 10-23-2021, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kingmonkeyjr

Yes been on production begins since 10/12

probably change by Monday.

I'm only one day ahead of you. Check out my thread. I bet you if you were at the factory today your car is probably just a few rows behind mine on the assembly line. Lol

But seriously by all accounts, assembly is literally just one day and they keep the line moving. So there's a chance mine is already off the assembly line by the time yours is on the assembly line given that one day difference

jad03060 · 10-23-2021, 03:14 PM

Production begins only means that all of the parts have been ordered and confirmed to/by vendors, and the body/painting/etc. has been scheduled...it does not mean that on the actual assembly line, the vehicle chassis is actually being built, only that the configuration has been locked in, ordered, and assembly scheduled.

It only takes a day or two for the body to be built and painted, and then, the assembly follows right after, so the next status updates will happen quickly in sequence, once they start. The built slot allocation should still hold...that tells you the week (not the day) that the vehicle should be finished. This way, all of the parts arrive to be installed on the vehicle often, literally, on the day it's ready for it so they don't have to have space to store things...JIT production means very little parts stockage...the stuff comes in just when needed. WHen I toured the Munich plant about 10-years ago, they said they had over 200 tractor trailer loads of stuff come in per typical work day, about 5-minutes apart, as cars came out the other end of the factory line. There's a little delay while the painted body's paint cures, but that actually is a very short timeframe compared to older auto paint that may have needed a run through a baking process.

calbears · 10-23-2021, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GrussGott

Sort of, even a 112 can move back depending on config - happened to me! So there does seem to be a review / acceptance process ... and back when I did an IM order that had to go to a "production committee"

Moving back doesn't have anything to do with approval. Lately, it's been space in a production line which is related to supply issues. Individual is another story as you're using a status 111 or 112 vehicle to get approved for individual customization which will go to 102 and then forward once approved. Customization beyond paint (most of them) involves a much longer and in depth process that can take weeks. For regular orders, it's straightforward (in normal times)

calbears · 10-23-2021, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by coralsea

My X5 had been stuck in "In transit" for close to 20 days. I called BMW and they told me it is supposed to arrive at Richmond processing center on Oct 14th but apparently it didn't and they have no idea what happened.

train derailment somewhere in Arizona I think has delayed in transit Xs to the west coast

maka007 · 10-23-2021, 09:44 PM

I'm about to place and order for 2022 X5 xDrive45e, but no longer see a Hitch option on bmwusa site under build your own under Options - https://www.bmwusa.com/build-your-ow...o45thx/options

Did it just got discontinued?

10-22-2021, 04:57 PM	#23
jad03060 Major General 3159 Rep 6,799 Posts Drives: X5 45e Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: NH iTrader: (0)	As has been said numerous times...it all depends on when the next available build slot your dealer already has and is willing to assign it to you. New ones don't just pop up magically. Since he already knows when his allocation slots are, it shouldn't be a big deal for him to give you a good idea when it would be built, and he can give you an estimate on how long it typically takes for delivery to his shop. What he can't do is tell you what day of the week it will be built, but once in awhile, things do slide one way or the other, but if they move, it's usually sooner from my limited experience, unless there's an unexpected supply issue to the factory. Keep in mind that BMW has a lot of the parts made by other vendors, and while they have contractual leverage, shit happens like a pandemic and shipping delays.
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10-22-2021, 05:16 PM	#24
jlgs2000 New Member 5 Rep 10 Posts Drives: 2022 X7 M50i Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: Texas iTrader: (0)	My experience echoes the advice here. If the dealer actually has an allocation for a 45e then you should get a production number rather quickly. If you don't have a number within the first week start asking questions. My wife and I put a deposit down to order a 45e on 9/16 and eventually found out the dealer did not actually have an allocation for the vehicle. They were not really honest and just assumed they would get additional allocations because they had gotten them in previous months. As it turns out they didn't get an allocation in October or November for a 45e. So luckily we were able to catch an unspoken for X7 M50i that was about to be built.
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allinon72 Brigadier General 4921 Rep 3,804 Posts Drives: 20' M2C, 23' X1 Join Date: May 2017 Location: Indianapolis, IN iTrader: (2)	Also keep in mind that dealers without allocations will take your order and attempt to trade with other dealers with allocations. Of course they aren't always successful in doing that and certainly won't tell you that's their plan. You MUST insist on a production number immediately, not in a day, not in a week, immediately, if you want to ensure your order will actually be fulfilled in a timely manner.
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jad03060 Major General 3159 Rep 6,799 Posts Drives: X5 45e Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: NH iTrader: (0)	Unless the dealer has an existing order he is willing to change to your specifications, he cannot get a production number 'immediately'. The order must be accepted by corporate, and depending on the timing (weekend, after hours, etc.), it might take a few days. The dealer doesn't have to use an allocation, but generally will in this environment, or barter it with another dealership. I think it would be rare to have 'extra' ones floating around today...there's more demand than there are vehicles out there.
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10101X5 Captain 465 Rep 792 Posts Drives: 10101X101 Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	Could this be part of the delay?
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jad03060 Major General 3159 Rep 6,799 Posts Drives: X5 45e Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: NH iTrader: (0)	FWIW, that price is, and has been near normal for much of Europe for a long time! That's one reason why they tend to have smaller, more efficient vehicles as the norm. Yes, there are people that can afford less efficient vehicles, but it's also why diesels (were) so big...caught in traffic, a diesel sips fuel compared to a gasoline fired engine. Keep in mind that there's about 10% more energy per gallon in diesel versus gasoline, so that's also a reason why they can be more efficient, at least on a per volume basis (not counting refining, or other issues).
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coralsea New Member 4 Rep 7 Posts Drives: BMW 530e Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: US iTrader: (0)	My X5 had been stuck in "In transit" for close to 20 days. I called BMW and they told me it is supposed to arrive at Richmond processing center on Oct 14th but apparently it didn't and they have no idea what happened.
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10-23-2021, 03:14 PM	#41
jad03060 Major General 3159 Rep 6,799 Posts Drives: X5 45e Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: NH iTrader: (0)	Production begins only means that all of the parts have been ordered and confirmed to/by vendors, and the body/painting/etc. has been scheduled...it does not mean that on the actual assembly line, the vehicle chassis is actually being built, only that the configuration has been locked in, ordered, and assembly scheduled. It only takes a day or two for the body to be built and painted, and then, the assembly follows right after, so the next status updates will happen quickly in sequence, once they start. The built slot allocation should still hold...that tells you the week (not the day) that the vehicle should be finished. This way, all of the parts arrive to be installed on the vehicle often, literally, on the day it's ready for it so they don't have to have space to store things...JIT production means very little parts stockage...the stuff comes in just when needed. WHen I toured the Munich plant about 10-years ago, they said they had over 200 tractor trailer loads of stuff come in per typical work day, about 5-minutes apart, as cars came out the other end of the factory line. There's a little delay while the painted body's paint cures, but that actually is a very short timeframe compared to older auto paint that may have needed a run through a baking process.
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maka007 Private 19 Rep 87 Posts Drives: 2022 x5 xdrive45e Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: CA iTrader: (0)	I'm about to place and order for 2022 X5 xDrive45e, but no longer see a Hitch option on bmwusa site under build your own under Options - https://www.bmwusa.com/build-your-ow...o45thx/options Did it just got discontinued?
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