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      10-27-2021, 11:40 AM   #1
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new Range Rover phev

PHEV engines for the new Range Rover announced yesterday will have 36kwh battery and 50KW charging speed! 60+ miles range and none of the shitty I4 engines from the RRS, these will be 3.0 six.

https://www.pocket-lint.com/cars/new...u-need-to-know

Even the old PHEV engines in the RRS was 7.2kw speed.

Only the X5 is stuck with our sucky 3kw, I charge it overnight but wish I didn't have to..
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      10-27-2021, 12:11 PM   #2
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this is interesting and I might consider this in a few years depending on how the G05 LCI turns out. Would be nice to have a charger faster then 3kw so that I can make some use of public chargers
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No idea if it's even feasible, but I wish there was at least an option on the 45e for better charging speed. I would've for sure paid for it. 3.7kW is way too slow.
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      10-27-2021, 03:19 PM   #4
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Nice. But these start at $97k, I assume these next gen RRs will get the usual price bump to > $100k with no equipment. Not sure if these are direct competitors with $63k X5 PHEVs.

May be cross shopped against the new X8s coming out.
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      10-27-2021, 03:55 PM   #5
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Looks great. Only announced on the proper RR - not the Sport yet. Every company should and likely will be offering PHEV - they accommodate those who can't or aren't willing to go full EV (for a variety of reasons). Not a comparo to the X5 (obs. diff price points), but good to have upper end options too..X7 next maybe.
While there's always a wish list, faster charging, more range, etc. All true - always will be as us humans want everything in "more"...haha.
For many of us, I think BMW has nailed the smooth transition. Go drive the XC90 T8 for example or even a Highlander and you'll feel a very rough transition from EV to ICE. I'm leery of the England-India (over) engineering, so we'll have to see how it is in terms of reliability, recalls, and importantly smooth drivability. But it looks great!
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No idea if it's even feasible, but I wish there was at least an option on the 45e for better charging speed. I would've for sure paid for it. 3.7kW is way too slow.
This is exactly my reason for not pulling the trigger on the first two I test drove!
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BMW BEVs have faster charging and CCS as well. It's not that they couldn't, IMHO, they didn't feel it was cost effective on this platform. On a dedicated EV platform, or one designed to be a PHEV from the get go, it'll probably happen. In the interim, charging it overnight isn't that big of a deal.

The four battery compartments with multiple battery modules would make the needed cooling and interconnections to handle the heat and higher current would add complexity, weight, and costs. I kind of doubt the LCI will add it, but I have no direct insight. The next redesign, yes, unless it is supplanted by a BEV instead.
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Base RR on their configurator is $104k with no options. Count on the PHEV adding a 20-30% premium to that. With no options. Looks like a great car (with the caveat of RR being at the bottom of nearly every reliability rating for the past 2 decades), but you're approaching Bentley territory now.
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Base RR on their configurator is $104k with no options. Count on the PHEV adding a 20-30% premium to that. With no options. Looks like a great car (with the caveat of RR being at the bottom of nearly every reliability rating for the past 2 decades), but you're approaching Bentley territory now.
I posted this mainly alluding to RR Sport facelift/redesign getting the same treatment.
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BMW BEVs have faster charging and CCS as well. It's not that they couldn't, IMHO, they didn't feel it was cost effective on this platform. On a dedicated EV platform, or one designed to be a PHEV from the get go, it'll probably happen. In the interim, charging it overnight isn't that big of a deal.

The four battery compartments with multiple battery modules would make the needed cooling and interconnections to handle the heat and higher current would add complexity, weight, and costs. I kind of doubt the LCI will add it, but I have no direct insight. The next redesign, yes, unless it is supplanted by a BEV instead.
I feel the same way: with a level 2 EVSE, the 5.5 hours that it takes for the HV battery in the X5 to recharge from empty to full don't bother me.

Also, I wonder how RR implemented the electric motor in their PHEV's, if it powers all four wheels as in the X5 or just two as in the Volvo XC's. The article doesn't say (or if it does, I have missed it).
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I believe the BMW market research for the typical use case. Their target market are the people who need EV-only for commuting and errands. (European market + no-emissions only city zones). Therefore the target customer will typically charged in 5-hour to 8-hour blocks of time, usually when you're sleeping or working.

If you find yourself needing the car frequently throughout the middle of the day, then the 45e 3.6kw 16a onboard charger is not for you. You're a target market for the i3 which has 7.2 kw 32a onboard chargers.

It is worth noting though, if you really want a midsize SUV with fast charging, the Porsche Cayenne 4 E Hybrid has an optional 7.2kw onboard charger, but the range is only 17 miles. Smaller battery + faster onboard charger = quick charging.
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I believe the BMW market research for the typical use case. Their target market are the people who need EV-only for commuting and errands. (European market + no-emissions only city zones). Therefore the target customer will typically charged in 5-hour to 8-hour blocks of time, usually when you're sleeping or working.

If you find yourself needing the car frequently throughout the middle of the day, then the 45e 3.6kw 16a onboard charger is not for you. You're a target market for the i3 which has 7.2 kw 32a onboard chargers.

It is worth noting though, if you really want a midsize SUV with fast charging, the Porsche Cayenne 4 E Hybrid has an optional 7.2kw onboard charger, but the range is only 17 miles. Smaller battery + faster onboard charger = quick charging.
Range is closer to 25 miles in the E Hybrid, and I have a '20 with the smaller 14kW battery ('21 and up has a 17kW battery, same as the Panamera E Hybrid and 35 miles of range). Full charge in 2 hours with the 7.2 kW charger option.
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