[Bmw2626]

I’ve had the LCI for about two weeks. Lack of buttons is no problemo. The ID8 is awesome. If BMW had to, do you know how easy it would be to put the “buttons” on the screen? Maybe that’s what’s coming with ID8.5? Who cares, the physical buttons issue is not a problem IMO.

[HWMIC]

I have also had my 24 X6 M60i for about 2 weeks now and the lack of buttons have not made a bit of difference. Once I got used to it approx 2 days I don't even think about it.

[SarethX]

Living in the south, climate control is kind of a big deal. No LCI, but just today I adjusted my temps several times while driving. Would not really want to do that with a touchscreen. We deal with temps in the 100s on the regular, so it is actually a big deal to adjust things often. Prolly something you can get used to over time though. Carry on.

[SwissBeemer]

Originally Posted by iamvanja

Ergonomics are not subjective. There is objectively more steps needed without the physical buttons. New setup is also more dangerous taking away eyes off the road.

Sorry but 99% of the time you WILL take your eyes off the road for anything to do with the HVAC. I have physical buttons in my 7-Series and for anything HVAC related other than adjusting the temp for 1° I will take my eyes off the road to look at the HVAC, which is considerably lower than the infotainment screen, because I can't feel where the A/C or window heat button lies as it is a single line of buttons with no discernable breaks in-between. And even if I could feel it I would still have to look since I use them so infrequently that I won't memorize the position. Even when just changing the temp for 1° I quite often look down to check what temperature I am actually at.

There's no way a look at the infotainment screen to check for the temperature and tapping the screen once (while being able to see the road in the corner of my eye) would take my eyes more "off the road" than looking down at my HVAC (while not seeing the road at all) but being able to then adjust it without looking.

Can't help but notice that everyone on this forum acting like the G05 LCI is dead because of this issue doesn't drive an LCI while everyone who actually does says it is absolutely no issue. Sure there might be bias on both sides but I think it would take more to actively lie about it when owning the car than to dream up scenarios justifying why it would be absolutely unbearable while not even having tried living with it for a single day.

[akin67]

This reminds me of the time when I finally made the transition from a Blackberry phone with real buttons to an Android where everything was done on the display. I recall also not being happy about that, but eventually you get used to it. I am hoping that between the presets, and voice commands, we can replicate much of what we do with the physical buttons.

[Gilles79]

I finally got used to typing on a glass screen but I curse it all the time. I still miss my Blackberry keyboard...

[BMPHIL]

The point is on pre lci you can use buttons OR touchscreen, on lci you can use touchscreen, I find it hard to understand how anybody can say the latter is better!.

[Jackxhh]

Originally Posted by BMPHIL

The point is on pre lci you can use buttons OR touchscreen, on lci you can use touchscreen, I find it hard to understand how anybody can say the latter is better!.

What a stupid statement.

[BMPHIL]

Originally Posted by Jackxhh

What a stupid statement.

Not if you are bright enough to understand it.

[tooloud10]

Originally Posted by Jackxhh

What a stupid statement.

What a rude statement.

[iamvanja]

Originally Posted by SwissBeemer

Sorry but 99% of the time you WILL take your eyes off the road for anything to do with the HVAC.

There is a colossal difference between turning the physical temperature knob (without needing to look even though some may need to) and verifying the set temperature (yes, looking)

VS

activating the screen of plethora of indiscernible +/- icons and then pointing/tapping at it while driving.

Not only it is ergonomically a nightmare, it is also a bigger cognitive load. Not to mention the lack of shortcut buttons which can virtually set any commonly used operation quickly and trivially.

People may be "fine" with the new iDrive and defend it, but objectively it is a step backward ergonomics wise.

Lack of physical keyboard on smartphones is a commonly used analogy, but vehicles are a different beast than smartphones safety wise. I am also surprised how hasn't law enforcement caught up and downright put a law to forbid this massive smartphone-ification of public road vehicles.

Originally Posted by SwissBeemer

Can't help but notice that everyone on this forum acting like the G05 LCI is dead because of this issue doesn't drive an LCI while everyone who actually does says it is absolutely no issue.

I am personally happy with this. I also am hoping that I am in minority with my opinion since I am hoping that pre-LCI G06 will drop in price significantly with the new LCI. Not only are the pre-LCI vehicles more ergonomic, they also IMHO look better.

[Heavyd]

If safety and ergonomics is such a big issue they should make voice commands the only possibility...

Why aren't all those safety and ergonomics preachers not using voice commands?

And if you have to do something else than change the temp and dive into the menu structure set the car aside. As with idrive 7.

It looks like a bunch is constantly fiddling with buttons and other crap instead of driving a car.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by Heavyd

It looks like a bunch is constantly fiddling with buttons and other crap instead of driving a car.

This cracked me up.

[nosnoop]

Originally Posted by iamvanja

There is a colossal difference between turning the physical temperature knob (without needing to look even though some may need to) and verifying the set temperature (yes, looking)
VS
activating the screen of plethora of indiscernible +/- icons and then pointing/tapping at it while driving.

Both of what you described above are not BMWs though.
Definitely not pre-LCI vs LCI.
And we don't have "temperature knobs".

[iamvanja]

Originally Posted by Heavyd

Why aren't all those safety and ergonomics preachers not using voice commands?

Voice commands are simply not there.

If (big if) it somehow works after first try, great! If not, driver’s cognitive focus is already away from traffic and into the construction of the correct phrase that the car will (perhaps) accept. At that point interacting with the screen may be safer!

My “favorite” is cancelling (by fiddling with the touchscreen) what the car misinterpreted from a voice control. Worst of the both world.

Another factor is the general effect of talking while driving that is often neglected.
Here’s just one of the studies. Yes, it talks about talking on the phone hands-free, but cognitive focus applies in the case of talking to the car.
https://evidencebasedliving.human.co...while-driving/

All the extra danger and effort just so that BMW can save a buck or two. Law regulators should absolutely step in here.

Originally Posted by Heavyd

And if you have to do something else than change the temp and dive into the menu structure set the car aside. As with idrive 7.

Pull over to set the seat heating? Pull over to set seat ventilation? Pull over to regulate air circulation?

How does any of this make for a MORE intuitive system?!

[trife.]

The amounts of complaints about a touchscreen in 2023 is ridiculous. Don’t like it? Hopefully you won’t buy it.

Meanwhile the people who do have 8.0 don’t seem to have many complaints. Interesting how that works. 🤔🤔

[SwissBeemer]

Originally Posted by iamvanja

There is a colossal difference between turning the physical temperature knob (without needing to look even though some may need to) and verifying the set temperature (yes, looking)

VS

activating the screen of plethora of indiscernible +/- icons and then pointing/tapping at it while driving.

This demonstrates perfectly what I was talking about in terms of mostly people complaining who are not driving an LCI.

The temperature is always on the screen with a "+" and "-" right next to it so it's not "turning a knob" vs. "activating the screen and find the button under "a plethora of +/- buttons"" but rather "tapping the screen once". Saying you can't find the correct "+/-" button out of one each on your side and on the passengers side on your own vehicle that you've spent tons of hours in doing that very same thing in the very same place of the very same touchscreen is funny when you have a long line of buttons that feel all the same on the classic HVAC unit in comparison but for SOME REASON no one ever complained about them not being discernable AND at the very bottom of the dashboard. I wonder why.

This again makes me feels like someone is trying hard to sell things as being worse not just without having tried them but without even looking at what they are actually talking about.

Originally Posted by iamvanja

Not only it is ergonomically a nightmare, it is also a bigger cognitive load. Not to mention the lack of shortcut buttons which can virtually set any commonly used operation quickly and trivially.

That might be the case for you but opinions may differ here and without anything more scientific being provided your comment that reads like a statement of facts to me is an opinion, not a fact.

Originally Posted by iamvanja

Lack of physical keyboard on smartphones is a commonly used analogy, but vehicles are a different beast than smartphones safety wise. I am also surprised how hasn't law enforcement caught up and downright put a law to forbid this massive smartphone-ification of public road vehicles.

Yeah, I wonder why ...

[DaveDBD]

Takes 8 steps in 50e to adjust adaptive cruise distance instead of pushing a button on the steering wheel. BMW didn’t even use the newly empty space for anything. Pretty cheap move IMHO.

[Heavyd]

Originally Posted by DaveDBD

Takes 8 steps in 50e to adjust adaptive cruise distance instead of pushing a button on the steering wheel. BMW didn’t even use the newly empty space for anything. Pretty cheap move IMHO.

Yes, that's a huge bummer. One of the few buttons I used on regular basis

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by DaveDBD

Takes 8 steps in 50e to adjust adaptive cruise distance instead of pushing a button on the steering wheel. BMW didn’t even use the newly empty space for anything. Pretty cheap move IMHO.

Unless you have AloneAlien's LCI.

[eelnoraa]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Unless you have AloneAlien's LCI.

I cannot help!!!!!

[FCX5]

Originally Posted by DaveDBD

Can someone with an LCI tells us if they can easily use the touchscreen for control of the HVAC, navigation and radio? I just read where many auto manufacturers are receiving feedback that customers want buttons and thus are not going to switch to touchscreens even though they save money. As well they are a safety hazard due to diverting eyes from the road to go through various screens.

We have ID 8 on our iX. You get used to it. Most people glance at buttons as well…