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      10-14-2020, 02:17 PM   #67
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I looked at the X5M before ultimately buying my M50i. My dealer had the X5M in and called me to check it out (couldn't drive it of course).

I loved the exterior look of it, seats. But it's funny that looks wise the one I ended up getting had the black out package and wheels and has a 'similar look'. Of course I know they are not the same, but for me personally the M50i was sharp looking as well and ticked the boxes.

The price difference between the two was $20-$25K or so (CDN) so not a huge issue when spending the kind of cash. But I had heard the X5M, as a city driving DD, with kids and all that was just over the top. I feel the M50i is almost there too when you're just driving like a normal person getting groceries and going to dance or sports.

So for me - I wanted to have a bad ass SUV, which the M50i achieves - but still be a family SUV when needed. I get to mess around and rip sometimes in sport plus and paddle shift, or just enjoy a luxury ride with the car driving itself while the kids sit in the back with heated seats and fold down travel trays looking at 'stars' in the panoramic glass roof.

In my opinion, the M50i is a win for everyone in the family.
See i don't understand some dealers regarding test driving M cars. My dealer just hands me the keys.
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They're either a dealer that got burned or they have too many people coming in for test drives. Friend of mine works at Lamborghini and many people with no real means or ability or desire to buy want to test drive. They offer him cash so they can post photos on "the gram" and he respectfully declines. It is insane that people would do this let alone pay to do it as well.
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See i don't understand some dealers regarding test driving M cars. My dealer just hands me the keys.
Depends on your relationship. My dealer won’t hand out M car keys to most people never mind as a loan car when their car is in for service. But I always get my pick because myself and the family are long standing customers.
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They're either a dealer that got burned or they have too many people coming in for test drives. Friend of mine works at Lamborghini and many people with no real means or ability or desire to buy want to test drive. They offer him cash so they can post photos on "the gram" and he respectfully declines. It is insane that people would do this let alone pay to do it as well.
This is so true! I buy M cars so I can test drive them. It was the same thing for the Ford Raptor I wanted. I came in with an old Kia and they told me no. Later bought a nice F150 and the next gen raptor I got to test drive. Relationship with sales and SA goes along ways. I'll be honest I've turned down a vehicle once before the test drives took it over 100miles. It was the only one on the lot with what I wanted and color but I still said nah... I guess I'm kinda stuck up but if I'm spending big bucks last thing I want to see is miles due to test drives... I know how I've test drove before
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I get all of that but you can walk into Porsche dealer and pretty much test drive any car except the super rare ones.... GT2 etc.... I am sure I can test the super rare one if I was dead serious on buying one..

Before buying my Mclaren 570s, I test drove a brand new Huracan, 570s and and a used Ferrari they had.... I did drive in with my 911 though.
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Not everyone can and not every dealer will even if they can. The dealers typically have a vetting process and profile prospects. Especially if you're a walk-in and request a GT2 and haven't spoken with anyone and it isn't readily available. Making an appointment establishing rapport then requesting is completely different.
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Not everyone can and not every dealer will even if they can. The dealers typically have a vetting process and profile prospects. Especially if you're a walk-in and request a GT2 and haven't spoken with anyone and it isn't readily available. Making an appointment establishing rapport then requesting is completely different.
I guess it depends on dealer to dealer.
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Exactly; of course it also varies from person to person, prospect to prospect. If I was a sales person I wouldn't go for a joyride with every goober who comes in of the street claiming they want to buy a car. If the Sales Manager wants to do it go for it but something tells me there are far more people who want to test drive cars rather than buy. Especially in this day and age where every doofus thinks they're a car reviewer or "lives for the gram" or anything in-between.
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I decided to roll the dice and purchase the M50i ... If it doesn't live up to expectations then I'll trade it in for the X5M in the Spring.
Hey Iconoclast - so how'd this work out for you? Loving the M50i or trading it in? Also, what suspension setup did you get?
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Enjoying it so far. No complaints. Purchased it with the steel suspension not the air. Nearly every option except individual and air suspension.
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My next car will be X5M or X6M. I really want to buy a new GT4 but it looks like it is almost impossible to get it new. Love that car... one day
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Enjoying it so far. No complaints. Purchased it with the steel suspension not the air. Nearly every option except individual and air suspension.
Nice! I'm thinking of going the same route and was wondering about the "integral active steering" in the DHP ... overall 50i seems like it has plenty of HP & handling for an SUV and I like the idea of rear steering ...
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Nice! I'm thinking of going the same route and was wondering about the "integral active steering" in the DHP ... overall 50i seems like it has plenty of HP & handling for an SUV and I like the idea of rear steering ...
I have it and I enjoy it. It feels like the Diet Coke derivative of the X5M. For what we use it for it does plenty and at no point do I ever say "it needs more power" however a side me still says go for the X5M/C if and when the opportunity presents itself but I am not actively seeking the purchase of one and do not need to.
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if money were no object I would love to have an M car. With that being said, if money were no object I would probably have a 911 Turbo so maybe I wouldn't need the M car anymore - IDK.

I absolutely love my M50i. Was driving down the highway the other day and made an "aggressive" (what most BMW drivers would call routine) move and went from 65 to 105 before I even had a chance to realize how fast I was going. I'm not sure the X5M or X5Mc would offer $20+k worth of more enjoyment, to be honest. The M50i is overkill for an SUV - the X5M(c) are even more overkill - I bet most don't even utilize the top end of the performance spectrum that you're paying extra for - so it's mostly for notoriety, IMO.


My ideal BMW lineup would be the M50i with an M4 convertible.
You nailed it my friend. Exactly my plan, already have the mineral white '21 M50i, hoping to get the M4 soon. I'm still debating coupe vs conv.
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Coming from a 40i, planning to switch to an M50i with DHP. I want the cushy ride of the non-M car but with power relatively close to the M. Since this is my family cruiser, I don't need laser sharp handling of the M, so the M50i is more than enough for me. I do plan on getting into a G80 M3 for my daily non-family driving.
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If I wanted an M car, I'd buy an M car — likely an M2 or M3 competition (or really, a 911). I wanted a big, luxurious SUV that's reasonably fun to drive, to daily on public streets.

I've never enjoyed the ride of the X5M — too compromised/harsh for an expensive daily driven family SUV. And I don't see the point in tracking it. So... what is its purpose aside from flexing??
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^^ Its for people that have families/kids that needs the space but also want similar power and driving dynamics to a M car. Not everyone has space or need for multiple cars either so as an all in one package nothing really beats the X5M in this category/price point . Then there is also the way it looks too... An M50i is also an excellent choice but that will drive like a fast X5. It isn't going to drive like a very fast M car.

That being said its not perfect. If BMW would stop cost cutting and just add a good air suspension on the X5M like what every other super suv has it would pretty much make it perfect to me.
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An M50i is also an excellent choice but that will drive like a fast X5. It isn't going to drive like a very fast M car.
Yeah ... I'm not so sure that's true ... while it is true the X5m:

* has 73 or ~100 more horsepower, it's got the same torque from what appears to be the same engine, albeit w/ possibly additional coolers

* has the same suspension as M50i w/dhp (M sport pro)

* has the same differential (m sport)

* has additional bracing

* has 6 piston fronts vs 4 piston fronts

It's been months since test drives of each, but they didn't really feel that different (I wasn't driving them at the limit and probably never would) ... if I'm missing something I'd love to know!

That said, sure 70 or 100 hp ain't nothing, but on top of 500+ it might be that for me ...

I'm cross shopping them all over again and, given I like the IAS, I'm thinking the 50i might be the way to go ... though maybe the 2022 models will add something new (ynguldyn mentions "F95/F96/G05/G06: Shadowline headlights in April.")
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Not everyone has space or need for multiple cars either so as an all in one package nothing really beats the X5M in this category/price point.
RS6 unless you need the ground clearance or prefer the taller ride.
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Yeah ... I'm not so sure that's true ... while it is true the X5m:

* has 73 or ~100 more horsepower, it's got the same torque from what appears to be the same engine, albeit w/ possibly additional coolers

* has the same suspension as M50i w/dhp (M sport pro)

* has the same differential (m sport)

* has additional bracing

* has 6 piston fronts vs 4 piston fronts

It's been months since test drives of each, but they didn't really feel that different (I wasn't driving them at the limit and probably never would) ... if I'm missing something I'd love to know!

That said, sure 70 or 100 hp ain't nothing, but on top of 500+ it might be that for me ...

I'm cross shopping them all over again and, given I like the IAS, I'm thinking the 50i might be the way to go ... though maybe the 2022 models will add something new (ynguldyn mentions "F95/F96/G05/G06: Shadowline headlights in April.")
I'm pretty sure the suspension between the two are not the same because what makes the X5M have more that M car feel is also its weakness at the same time because its SO stiff. I've never heard anyone complain that a normal X5 rides too stiff but for the X5M its pretty common on the forums and with online reviews.

I can't say for sure without driven a M50 with DHP (i had one on order originally) but its possible that the M50i in Sport mode would feel similar to the X5M in comfort. Once the X5M is set to Sport or Sport+ its a different animal and really only usable on the smoothest of roads. Also i think you will need the DHP on the M50 to get the torque vectoring rear diff. Is that stated anywhere that its the same as the M?

My F80 M3 was my first M car and one thing i've learned after owning it for 2 years and listening to all the arguments online about how a M340i is just as good or what not is that with M cars its really about the sum of all its parts that gives you that "M car feel". My brother in law had a 340i that I got to drive often and jumping into and out of that between my M3 was a big difference just pulling out of the driveway. Every thing little thing from the M seats, steering wheel, shifter, taught suspension, sound just makes it feel more special which also applies to the X5M.

Make no mistake I am in no way putting down the M50i. I tell my friends all the time that its the better bang for the buck and its the right car for most people. I originally had a 95K M50i on order before going with the X5M. Going full M is for that special kind of person that wants that 10/10ths of what a M suv/sav can offer. I explained why i went with the full M in my build thread and it came down to if I was going to modify the M50 with aftermarket parts like i usually do I might as well start off with the M since it basically wipes the price difference away. That was the plan at least..... until i decided to mod the X5M as well lol

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