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      02-18-2021, 04:16 AM   #89
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Touch screens are the worst trend in automotive lol, I'd love a mix of physical buttons and beautiful LCD displays, not pure touch, if I wanted to drive an iPad, I would, but I want my eyes on the road...
2nd that. This “screen dominated dashboard” trend is hideous. I specifically went with an X7 over a Merc GLS b/c of the screen real estate on the Mercedes dash. I think the current blend of screens and physical buttons BMW currently has (along with the scroll wheel) is a nice balance.
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I don't think they'll redesign the entire dash mid production cycle. The screens are probably to work out bugs with ID8 hardware.
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I don't think they'll redesign the entire dash mid production cycle. The screens are probably to work out bugs with ID8 hardware.
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I don't think they'll redesign the entire dash mid production cycle. The screens are probably to work out bugs with ID8 hardware.
Well, that's exactly what they plan to do with G20 LCI due July 2022.
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      02-18-2021, 12:56 PM   #93
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Well, that's exactly what they plan to do with G20 LCI due July 2022.
IDK, where do you have that from? It's clear from insider information that the LCI will feature the new infotainment package/iDrive OS8 (ID8), but it is less clear (to me), whether that means a completely new dash or just new hardware behind the dash and maybe slightly bigger screens (but similar arrangement to now). Even though the iX and i4 get one ultra-widescreen thingy, I believe it still has two independent screens in it that could be displayed on the current G20 dash screen just as well.

We'll see.
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As someone who has had 10+ service visits and am now going through a manufacturer process due to a defective/lemon unit where the driver's dash cluster keeps cutting out without warning, this is a really iffy move imo. I get it - not every car has issues, but enough have shown problems with the dash cluster control communications setup that this should really be thought through again and suppliers thoroughly tested before going mass market. Just my 0.02.
I prefer the physical buttons for functions over the screen. Tesla had a recall for model S due to screen cutting out. They should not integrated all functions and combined all together in one screen beside the interior at night on the car is way too bright.
Porsche Taycan has no physical buttons but touch screen function
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I prefer the physical buttons for functions over the screen. Tesla had a recall for model S due to screen cutting out.
First off, Tesla seems to be sourcing consumer or at least not automotive-grade screens and other parts. That ongoing recall however was not because of the touchscreen, but about their storage device shutting down after N write cycles which came earlier than originally expected due to their excessive data logging.

I do agree that if you want to keep your car for 20 years, it's unclear whether the current crop of touch-screen enabled cars will still fully work, but in the foreseeable future, the hardware should be good enough by now I think,
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First off, Tesla seems to be sourcing consumer or at least not automotive-grade screens and other parts. That ongoing recall however was not because of the touchscreen, but about their storage device shutting down after N write cycles which came earlier than originally expected due to their excessive data logging.

I do agree that if you want to keep your car for 20 years, it's unclear whether the current crop of touch-screen enabled cars will still fully work, but in the foreseeable future, the hardware should be good enough by now I think,
As part of the Tesla recall, they stated that the electronics are not expected to last the lifetime of the car. I think they said something like 5-6 years is more realistic. That doesn't sound great. But then, how long do you expect your laptop to last?

Edit: This is an excerpt from a letter written by Tesla to NHTSA. The full letter is on the nhtsa gov site.

"While the wear rate is heavily influenced by the active use of the center display system, even more so when the vehicle is in drive or charging, given a reasonable average daily use of 1.4 cycles, the expected life would be 5-6 years. NHTSA has not presented any evidence to suggest that this expected life is outside industry norms or that the eMMC flash memory device itself does not comport with that average lifetime estimate.
Instead, NHTSA has asserted that the component should last at least the useful life of the vehicle, essentially double its expected lifespan. Tesla has significant concerns with the impact of this tentative conclusion."

I don't think BMW or any other car manufacturer would have a different expected life for display systems. It's also interesting that we expect the total life of a car to be 10-12 years, according to the Tesla statement above. Yet the average age of cars in the U.S. is 11.9 years old and a quarter of the cars on the road are 16+ years old. Cars are becoming more disposable or what?

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It seems like Tesla wants their vehicles in the junk yards not for resale. Putting in non automotive parts like electronics that needs replaced every 5-6years doesn't sounds like a long term solution for the environment but rather increasing the massive amount of electronic trash that does not bio degrade.

Don't know about many of you but if I'm looking for a used car I am looking for something I can actually use for a good value not something I have to rebuild to use.... I don't think the Tesla model is going to work well long term.
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Not a single one of those external changes looks good
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The Munich sh!t show continues...
Large noses and laptop screens abound, the weight will likely crawl up, too.

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      02-19-2021, 06:23 AM   #100
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Honestly people on here loosing their shit over a test mule which is clearly botched together for development purposes. Probably will get the new i drive system but it doesn't mean a whole dash redesign, just easier to transplant from one to another - i mean its clear its just bolted onto the dash.
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Honestly people on here loosing their shit over a test mule which is clearly botched together for development purposes. Probably will get the new i drive system but it doesn't mean a whole dash redesign, just easier to transplant from one to another - i mean its clear its just bolted onto the dash.
Have you seen the iX curved display bolted onto the dash? It looks the same or at least very similar. The iX dash is the production design. Apparently that design is coming over time to all or most BMW's.
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Super cool to see big large screens 🖥 for better navigation and ease-of-use.

But I wish there was a way to integrate the screens cleanly into the dashboard console so they look part of the cockpit and are not just sharply jetting out at you.
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Super cool to see big large screens 🖥 for better navigation and ease-of-use.

But I wish there was a way to integrate the screens cleanly into the dashboard console so they look part of the cockpit and are not just sharply jetting out at you.
Completely agree. Large screens are fine. But I don't like it when a screen looks like an iPad that has been bolted to the dashboard. The curved BMW screen would be awesome if it was integrated into the dash.
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I absolutely hated the E9X and E6x camel inspired dashboard with the two humps. I have no idea why BMW decided to go with that instead of just boxing it out into one streamlined piece.

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HAHAHA~! Remember when Porsche had a trajillion buttons? One button for every possible feature or function; ridiculous.





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looks like they're following in Mercedes footsteps and using a dual LCD to look as one continuous screen. Can't wait to see what the final configuration looks like.

Also looks like they did away with the gear selector and using a toggle button instead - interesting.
Indeed, footsteps

Merc is already moving away from the continuous screen...

New S class interior
Hideous.
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Oh,...but WAIT BMW. If you remove the gearshift knob imagine all the $$ you'll be losing out on because of the gearshift Swarovski crystal option!!

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Oh,...but WAIT BMW. If you remove the gearshift knob imagine all the $$ you'll be losing out on because of the gearshift Swarovski crystal option!!
Don't worry, they still have the crystal iDrive dial (now totally transparent), and the crystal gear toggle and seat control
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Oh,...but WAIT BMW. If you remove the gearshift knob imagine all the $$ you'll be losing out on because of the gearshift Swarovski crystal option!!

I remember mentioning that the crystal gearshift knob is designed by Swarovski months ago in this forum, and people did not believe me then.
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I am confused. On the last photo there is a clearly gear shifter... 2 diffrent cars?
That picture is the i4. It's the spy pic
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I remember mentioning that the crystal gearshift knob is designed by Swarovski months ago in this forum, and people did not believe me then.
Have this feature in our X7 and it is the most annoying option. Sunlight seems to hit it at the perfect angle at the worst times.
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