[Brigitte]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

can be found on the bottom of the MyBMW app under Services tab (BMW coverage status)

Thank you so much...you said that some states the battery warranty will be even higher. I was trying to find this info. In 8 years the mileage on my car will only be around 30k.

[joelabennett]

10 months 7,500 Miles 0 problems

[cellarrat]

Originally Posted by Brigitte

How can I find this info? It must be hidden somewhere on their site.

It is in your owner's manual

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by Brigitte

Thank you so much...you said that some states the battery warranty will be even higher. I was trying to find this info. In 8 years the mileage on my car will only be around 30k.

CARB states require a higher warranty. just search CARB

[Brigitte]

Originally Posted by cellarrat

It is in your owner's manual

Thanks...I don't have one yet. But I can check the online manual posted in this forum...

[Brigitte]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

CARB states require a higher warranty. just search CARB

I googled it...and I just googled it again. I found info only about California hybrid battery warranty (10 years/150k miles). It's confusing...I found a post from someone who said that according to Honda ...the CARB warranty only applies to the battery we purchased out of pocket and not to the battery that came with the car. On a Toyota website talking about Hybrid System warranty. The CARB warranty only applies to the Hybrid battery but not to the entire Hybrid System which includes other parts. So I'm wondering if the CARB battery warranty is the same for all CARB states.

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by Brigitte

I googled it...and I just googled it again. I found info only about California hybrid battery warranty (10 years/150k miles). It's confusing...I found a post from someone who said that according to Honda ...the CARB warranty only applies to the battery we purchased out of pocket and not to the battery that came with the car. On a Toyota website talking about Hybrid System warranty. The CARB warranty only applies to the Hybrid battery but not to the entire Hybrid System which includes other parts. So I'm wondering if the CARB battery warranty is the same for all CARB states.

CARB requires minimum 8Y/100K-mile warranty. it appears the warranties may vary among CARB states

[Brigitte]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

CARB requires minimum 8Y/100K-mile warranty. it appears the warranties may vary among CARB states

Thanks...

[thewils]

17,000kms here, 14 months in and no troubles outside of a rock cracking the windshield and a puncture in one of the rear runflats.

[Guy Fleegman]

Originally Posted by thewils

17,000kms here, 14 months in and no troubles outside of a rock cracking the windshield and a puncture in one of the rear runflats.

I had a cracked windshield too (fairly common where I live). Not the car's fault but I'm glad I passed on the dealer's hard sell for the windshield protection coverage. As I recall that was a roughly $2K policy. My car insurance replaced it for a $100 comprehensive deductible.

[leightos]

Originally Posted by thewils

17,000kms here, 14 months in and no troubles outside of a rock cracking the windshield and a puncture in one of the rear runflats.

one note on the single puncture on the run flat:
I had the same thing. One rear tire at 10k miles. So my option was to buy 2 new rears tires at the BMW place for about $1150.

But having dealt w/ Tire Rack over the years I learned they 'shave' down a tire to current wear. Since I was only about 50% of the way thru these tires I felt it was worth a try. I went and measured the depth of my tread, told Tire Rack, and in 48 hours had one new exact match for about $480. Took it to a Firestone place to have it put on. I figured it was worth a try, and if didn't run well, I'd break down and buy 2 rears, keep the shaved one for a emergency spare. Now all four tires were on the same tread depth.

Not everyone will choose this option, but it worked great for me.

[LogicalApex]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

CARB requires minimum 8Y/100K-mile warranty. it appears the warranties may vary among CARB states

The battery warranty is 10Y/100K miles in TZEV CARB States.

It is a bit confusing as you have some CARB states that haven’t adopted CA TZEV legislation so they don’t have the TZEV extended warranty requirements.

TZEV states: CA, CT, ME, MD, MA, NJ, NY, OR, RH, VT

These states have battery coverage for 10Y/150K miles and an emission warranty until 15Y/150K miles

Non-TZEV States: PA, DE, WA

These states get 8Y/80K miles like all other states. These states have a separate warranty that covers a host of parts that should be laid out in the warranty booklet as was covered in the CA rules before TZEV.

CARB warranty status is determined by state of vehicle REGISTRATION not purchase.

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by LogicalApex

[The battery warranty is 10Y/100K miles in TZEV CARB States.

It is a bit confusing as you have some CARB states that haven't adopted CA TZEV legislation so they don't have the TZEV extended warranty requirements.

more acronyms?! hella confusing!

[thewils]

Originally Posted by leightos

one note on the single puncture on the run flat:
I had the same thing. One rear tire at 10k miles. So my option was to buy 2 new rears tires at the BMW place for about $1150.

In my case it took BMW a week or two to source a new Hankook and they put a temporary plug in the tire until it could be swapped out at just over 12,000 kms.

[leightos]

Originally Posted by thewils

In my case it took BMW a week or two to source a new Hankook and they put a temporary plug in the tire until it could be swapped out at just over 12,000 kms.

Ah, I should have been more clear. I had the Pirelli runflats. Once they've been driven x number of miles the word I got is that they aren't usable or repairable. I saw the inside of the punctured runflat. It was rubbish.

[TheStanman]

Originally Posted by B///MWGuy

I had assumed that 45e would be more reliable.
Yes there are more components to hybrids but electric systems (motor, regen braking) lessens the burden of mechanical parts, which are much more prone to failure than electronics.

While that makes sense at first glance, I actually think PHEVs are harder on mechanical bits. Very frequent and abrupt turning off/on engines, engaging trans, etc. Plus they don't get to and stay at normal operating temperature.

Not saying PHEVs are unreliable, it just creates a new unique strain on the ICE powertrain. Kind of how start-stop systems cause premature wear but on steroids. Will be interesting to look back in a decade and see how they hold-up long-term.

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by TheStanman

While that makes sense at first glance, I actually think PHEVs are harder on mechanical bits. Very frequent and abrupt turning off/on engines, engaging trans, etc. Plus they don't get to and stay at normal operating temperature.

Not saying PHEVs are unreliable, it just creates a new unique strain on the ICE powertrain. Kind of how start-stop systems cause premature wear but on steroids. Will be interesting to look back in a decade and see how they hold-up long-term.

the engineers already addressed this. the 'mechanical bits' and starter are more robust.

[PeterPuitG]

I didn't read the entire thread, but here is my experience: I had my first 45e in jan 2020 and had several issues. Mainly the sunroof and software issues. Decided to trade it in for the exact same car because I liked the comfort and drivetrain.

Got the new one this spring and now the first stop at the dealer is scheduled because of a malfunction in the driving and parking assist.

Although these are not hybrid related issues, the fact that my second car already has issues is completely unacceptable to me.

Also, a close friend of mine has had a drivetrain malfunction after 60k km and apaerantly the transfer box of the xdrive system failed and needed to be replaced. not the greatest reliability report in my book.

I hope these are rather isolated cases bacause they are selling them by the boatload (quite litterally, here in Europe)

[LogicalApex]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

more acronyms?! hella confusing!

They have to keep it fun!

Originally Posted by TheStanman

While that makes sense at first glance, I actually think PHEVs are harder on mechanical bits. Very frequent and abrupt turning off/on engines, engaging trans, etc. Plus they don't get to and stay at normal operating temperature.

Not saying PHEVs are unreliable, it just creates a new unique strain on the ICE powertrain. Kind of how start-stop systems cause premature wear but on steroids. Will be interesting to look back in a decade and see how they hold-up long-term.

It isn’t as hard as you think it is.

On the BMW PHEV platform the electric machine is in the transmission so you’re not adding a lot more stress to the transmission since it is already in there. The Engine is connected and disconnected from the drivetrain by a single connection that syncs up rotational speed before adding the Engine back to the drivetrain to minimize stress on both.

Additionally, BMW PHEVs have a low temperature cooling circuit with the engine included in that circuit to enable the EV motor, including with a heater if needed, to warm up the engine fluids during operation to minimize the risk of cold starting the engine at high RPM. That same low temperature cooling circuit is used to heat the batteries when needed as well. Such as trying to get the preconditioning going at -15F or when starting the EV motor at those temperatures for driving…

The engineers have designed for the stress and the BMW PHEV platform that the X5 45e and 530e are on are version 4 of this platform…

They are also required to warranty the PHEV much longer than they are required to warranty the ICE car (up to 15Y/150K miles in TZEV CARB states like I mentioned earlier) so I am sure they are not trying to have them breakdown much. Especially since most owners in the 7Y+ category are used buyers who aren’t buying CPO…

[thebarrett1970@gmail.com]

Just broke 5K miles and 4months. No issues - totally love it.

[cellarrat]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

depends on the state. CARB states have longer warranties:
8Y/100K miles or 10Y/150K miles

Hey, I am in 1 and didn't know it!

[TurtleBoy]

Here is a list of the CARB states for those that are interested.