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We all have opinions; mine is B&W (home) is a “mainstream high-end” loudspeaker brand. I’d call it a brand like Porsche. Yea, there’s higher-end vehicle brands, but it’s still on the high-end of the spectrum. Same with B&W.
This is getting even more off topic, but let’s hope B&W doesn’t lose credibility. They’ve been going through tumultuous times with ownership the last few years. It would be a shame to see the brand become crap. |
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For the OP, great job! As a fellow amateur car audio tuning DIY’er, I am just a bit ahead of you when it comes to using the same hardware and taking a stab at DIY tuning it.
I recently installed and DIY tuned a Match UP10DSP in my HK equipped F80 M3 (documenting my progress in the F3x 3-series forum). I am still tweaking my tune, using REW, with my most recent addition to my system being a trunk sub (and I plan to do an entire re-tune once I get the trunk sub installed). You said you wanted to get more into REW, which I would definitely agree with and recommend. The DSP in the Match amps is very powerful and a (free) tuning tool like REW really helps to unlock the true capability of any DSP system, DIY'er or professional. If you have not seen this already, check out this tuning video series by this DIY’er. I did a ton of research on tuning, including using REW and I think this set of videos is a great starting point regarding tuning (with REW) for any DIY’er. He is even using the same tuning software by Audiotech: I also have a HK equipped X7 with the same RAM system (and upgraded Bavsound speakers and underseat woofers). Admittedly, I am not sure if I want to install the same Match UP10DSP in my X7 based on what I have already done (I also coded the B&W DSP profiles to my X7, which are much better than the HK ones IMO). But your enthusiasm with this setup in your X5 has me thinking more about doing it now .
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In automotive, AKG, B&O, Mark Levinson, Harman/Kardon, B&W, Lexicon, ... are all engineered and designed by Harman - by the same engineers working at the same company. The speakers in a B&W BMW are not designed or manufactured by the same B&W that makes home speakers. The B&W speakers are designed by Harman engineers and manufactured in Chinese factories under contract to Harman. The actual B&W company has nothing to do with these automotive B&W speakers. And the BMW H/K sound system is good, but not that good. Definitely not amazing. You're exaggerating with your #2. |
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B&W and Focal are in the same range and this upgrade was to Focal speakers and B&W grills from what I can tell. But we are not talking about B&W or Focal’s audiophile speakers here. Those would cost more than a fully loaded X5MC. 😊 |
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everything in this post is really impressive, and you deserve a load of credit for having done this work yourself. there's exactly zero chance I could execute this. I'm really impressed with people who can do this kind of thing.
but do I understand correctly you bought counterfeit grilles from AliExpress and you're using your post to promote those counterfeit products? because, you know, that's fully fucked up, and I'm pretty sure Bimmerpost shouldn't be supporting that activity.
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Why you use earthquakes? They aren’t even that good plus they can’t play high enough to properly crossover with the 4” midranges. The b&w underseat woofers are a way better choice. They take more power 250w each, can play as high as 400hz and as low as 25hz, and they drop in w/o and spacers or mods.
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Samsung bought HK on 2017. All the previous cars where usually assigned to harman kardon to analyse, design and implement competitive sound systems. Before BMW got cheap like today, some serious work was done in these cars. Today, the new cars do not benefit from the same serious design and sound study. The new recipe is “aproximately ok position” relying on the quality of the speaker to compensate. Many times the angle and the materials, location, echos, sound reflex, etc. can beat ten times a better speaker. An excelent speaker will be impacted by the floor, ceiling height, wide, walls, materials around it, angle of sitting, cables, power supply, amplifier, etc… Same speakers will never sound the same in differente environments. From angles and accoustics to materials and insulation everthing plays a role. PS BW “being” HK means nothing as a concept. Or It might mean something today as in truth, neither my 2021 M340 nor my 2021 X4 both loaded to the teeth do not sound that good. |
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11 minutes: https://youtu.be/F6BG6q6rHHA?t=660 But your 3 series don't have B&W branded sound systems, do they? A fully loaded 3/4 would have HK audio. |
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For a stock unmodified ride - If there’s an available B&W option, it will sound better than whatever else is factory available no matter what. BMW did a great job moving their top tier option from B&O over to B&W, HK is solid but not the same.
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You could also upgrade the underseat woofers in the second scenario I described above (I did). But it will take some audio system tuning to take full advantage of other aftermarket woofers in most cases, IMO…
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Thanks. So the Earthquake option really needs added power over what the B&W provides? Was wondering if getting a little better deeper bass was possible.
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Thanks. So the Earthquake option really needs added power over what the B&W provides? Was wondering if getting a little better deeper bass was possible.
The Earthquakes come in two variants: 2-ohm and 4-ohm. I don't know the ohm rating of the stock B&W woofers, but they are most likely either 4-ohm or 8-ohm. The Earthquakes can take 150 watts RMS, but I don't know how much power the B&W amp sends to the underseat woofers. I have not actually tried the Earthquakes, but many have with very good success and the consensus is that the Earthquakes are most effective when paired with a separate amp powering them at 150 watts RMS each. A popular amp for this application is the Audiocontrol ACM-2.300 as it is a compact, all-in-one amp and line output converter (LOC) solution. After the amp and the woofers, all you need is the correct PnP harness made by a company called TechnicPnP for a nice, and easily reversible sound upgrade. Edit: Just for clarification since this is a bit OT in this thread…. What I described above is just to add additional bass to the stock HK system using aftermarket underseat woofers (the Earthquakes in this case) and an external amp (the Audiocontrol ACM-2.300). If you install the Match UP10 DSP as the OP did, you do not need the additional Audiocontrol amp as the UP10 DSP has two specific output channels to send 160 watts at 2 ohms to the underseat woofers.
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The feeling after reading the entire thread:
My brain: I think I got the hang of it. My hands: No, you ain’t. But seriously, tho, B&W is much better than the stock HK. I had HK in my 22 X5M Comp and B&W in my 23 IX. The difference is night and day. Excellent job, OP!
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It’s very important to use correct ohm, I am going to follow your diy process with h&k upgrade. |
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The OP installed an aftermarket amp to power all of the speakers, the Match UP10DSP, which has two specific output channels that can send 160 watts RMS at 2 ohms to the underseat woofers.
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