[Johnnybroker]

Originally Posted by WagonFan

Another vote to get DAP. I think you will not regret it and it will help on the resale.

Without DAP you don’t have e.g. Adaptive Cruise Control.
My 2016 Outback and any rental car I had the last 8 years had it. You really want to buy a luxury car and not have Adaptive Cruise Control?
It even has stop and go and in a traffic jam it’s a blessing.

In addition I was hesitant with the hands free option and it took me a little to trust it. It exceeded my expectations and now I use it on a regular basis.

People here can only give you good advice.

At the end you need to decide.

i am going to consider it, as soon as I find out if there is any changes for the 2025 if its below 2k I will add it.

[BMWxARS]

Latest : i get 97KM with full charge.

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by BMWxARS

Latest : i get 97KM with full charge.

nice, but those of us that have owned ours for a while now know that number is just an estimation and not real electric range. it's really not something to flex especially coming from a new vehicle

[BMWxARS]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

nice, but those of us that have owned ours for a while now know that number is just an estimation and not real electric range. it's really not something to flex especially coming from a new vehicle

Not sure what i will get. Just 2 weeks old. My country’s BMW brochure shows 110KM WLTP. Currently, I can get 97KM maximum.

[WagonFan]

Originally Posted by BMWxARS

Not sure what i will get. Just 2 weeks old. My country’s BMW brochure shows 110KM WLTP. Currently, I can get 97KM maximum.

The question is how many km did you actually achieve?

The 97 is a hypothetical forecast value based on the past which could be significantly different.

[BMWxARS]

Originally Posted by WagonFan

The question is how many km did you actually achieve?

The 97 is a hypothetical forecast value based on the past which could be significantly different.

90% of the meter.

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by BMWxARS

90% of the meter.

now that’s a realistic range of real-world driving.

still, that’s not to say you can’t achieve 110km IF you are really efficient in your driving. sources report real-world driving range is about 80-90% of WLTP

[BMWxARS]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

now that’s a realistic range of real-world driving.

still, that’s not to say you can’t achieve 110km IF you are really efficient in your driving. sources report real-world driving range is about 80-90% of WLTP

It is good enough for my 2 working days 😊

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by BMWxARS

It is good enough for my 2 working days 😊

that’s a win!

[dwwStL]

Took delivery last November with 42 mile range fully charged. As it got colder, that range deteriorated as much as 25%. It's now warm again. I charge in an underground garage that is now 70f and I'm getting 52 mile range estimates. I understand this is based upon my recent driving habits. My driving is very consistent. I've been regularly making 48 mile round trips (same destination, my parents home) and have been arriving home with 3 to 5 miles left and driving 98 - 100% electric. I'm very pleased with this.

It's also interesting to me how it reverts to old skool hybred when the battery shows zero range. In city driving at 30mph, give or take, I've driven several miles on electric while showing zero range. It seems to never actually be out of electric power.

Finally, do we still believe the B58 in the 50e has reduced HP, or has that been debunked? I ask because BMW seems to continue to represent the B58 in the 50e is fully powered as in the 40i.

[45e X5]

Originally Posted by dwwStL

Took delivery last November with 42 mile range fully charged. As it got colder, that range deteriorated as much as 25%. It's now warm again. I charge in an underground garage that is now 70f and I'm getting 52 mile range estimates. I understand this is based upon my recent driving habits. My driving is very consistent. I've been regularly making 48 mile round trips (same destination, my parents home) and have been arriving home with 3 to 5 miles left and driving 98 - 100% electric. I'm very pleased with this.

It's also interesting to me how it reverts to old skool hybred when the battery shows zero range. In city driving at 30mph, give or take, I've driven several miles on electric while showing zero range. It seems to never actually be out of electric power.

Finally, do we still believe the B58 in the 50e has reduced HP, or has that been debunked? I ask because BMW seems to continue to represent the B58 in the 50e is fully powered as in the 40i.

There has been several dyo tests which actually show the 50e has more power over 500hp

[dwwStL]

Originally Posted by 45e X5

There has been several dyo tests which actually show the 50e has more power over 500hp

Thanks for the response.

I was very skeptical of those who suggested otherwise. If for no other reason than BMW making false representations would catch A LOT of class action lawsuits.

[aaaaaaaaaz]

One thing I noticed that 50e different from my previous bmw experience: the gas tank indicator stays at 100% for a lot longer (e.g. 15-20 ICE miles) before dropping, versus my previous BMWs tank indicator starts dropping almost immediately after 2-3 miles of drive.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by dwwStL

Finally, do we still believe the B58 in the 50e has reduced HP, or has that been debunked? I ask because BMW seems to continue to represent the B58 in the 50e is fully powered as in the 40i.

Nothing to be debunked, it is a fact that the engine is tuned to provide lower HP in the 50e than it does in the 40i. All of BMW's marketing/technical materials state that just like it was for the 45e. The ICE is 308hp and the electric motor is 194hp for a combined 483hp.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by dwwStL

Thanks for the response.

I was very skeptical of those who suggested otherwise. If for no other reason than BMW making false representations would catch A LOT of class action lawsuits.

Can you explain this a little more. I have never seen anyone allude to this. Are you maybe confusing ICE HP with combined HP?

[dwwStL]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Nothing to be debunked, it is a fact that the engine is tuned to provide lower HP in the 50e than it does in the 40i. All of BMW's marketing/technical materials state that just like it was for the 45e. The ICE is 308hp and the electric motor is 194hp for a combined 483hp.

I'm sure it's my mistake. I could have sworn that I read the electric HP was in the neighborhood of 111 hp on top of the standard 40i B58. I don't understand why BMW would reduce the HP on the B58 in the 50e but I'm happy to be corrected.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by dwwStL

I'm sure it's my mistake. I could have sworn that I read the electric HP was in the neighborhood of 111 hp on top of the standard 40i B58. I don't understand why BMW would reduce the HP on the B58 in the 50e but I'm happy to be corrected.

Some say it is due to starting cold but I believe the reason is marketing. If they would have kept the ICE hp the same then it would have had more HP than the M60i so the production positioning would have been off. What we will see in the next generation is the 50e likely around the same and the M60e will be in the 570hp range. In the the later case the hp of the ICE will be close to hp in the 40i.

[X5Knox]

50E makes 10-11psi boost max . Any 40i owners out there that can check boost pressure on 40i ?

[SteVTEC]

The PHEV version of the B58 runs Miller cycle, so that's why power figures are a bit lower. No reason for it to be such a monster with so much electric motor assist. It's a little more efficient, and yes they probably didn't want it to be outrunning the M60i.

[variant]

Originally Posted by SteVTEC

The PHEV version of the B58 runs Miller cycle, so that's why power figures are a bit lower. No reason for it to be such a monster with so much electric motor assist. It's a little more efficient, and yes they probably didn't want it to be outrunning the M60i.

All the new B58s are miller cycle. The difference in output is to separate the 60 from the 50 in the hierarchy and possibly because the electric motor is within the transmission housing and send power through the transmission and transfer case. Electric motor torque is 100% at zero rpm, so in a launch control/flooring the accelerator scenario, a big hit of electric torque+the torque from a full strength B58 might be a more stress on the driveline then even the M X5s put out, where the v8 would ramp up the torque (and as was mentioned before, full strength B58+the 193 or 194 hp electric motor would produce more torque then any current X5 on the market and almost as much HP as the X5 Comp).

https://bimmerlife.com/2022/04/22/bm...hnical-update/

[eelnoraa]

B58TU2 is CAPABLE of running miller cycle. It doesn’t run miller cycle all the time. In fact, judging from MPG for 40i, pre LCI vs LCI, the occuranance of miller cycle is minimal. For sure, when power is demanded, you wont enter miller cycle. Most likely, it is highway cruising when minimal power is needed.

[jad03060]

The 45e has a smaller EV motor and a lower output from the ICE…both went up in ther 50e LCI.