[TXSchnee]

Originally Posted by mrjoed2

My 1987 944 Turbo was my last Porsche. What gets me is their pricing- standard features are meager & insulting, they have made practically everything one would expect at a given price point a option. The greed of Porsche is off the charts. Now if that works for them & their customers fine - but not me.

This will be my first Porsche, will see how it goes. I will always consider a BMW, and am keeping my G01.

[jumpingpint]

Originally Posted by mrjoed2

My 1987 944 Turbo was my last Porsche. What gets me is their pricing- standard features are meager & insulting, they have made practically everything one would expect at a given price point a option. The greed of Porsche is off the charts. Now if that works for them & their customers fine - but not me.

I have the same feeling
The Porsche online config is huge, asking money for everything

Feeling of cheap as a brand

[mrjoed2]

Originally Posted by TXSchnee

Yes, my M50i build is around $98k, the Cayenne I have on order is $114k. The E Hybrid does have a $6712 tax credit though, for PHEV through the IRS so after negotiation and the tax credit it will be under $100k (granted I will have to wait to recoup the tax credit). If I were looking at a base Cayenne vs the 40i G05, I would be ordering the G05.

You mention build prices - how about sale prices? I can guarantee the BMW gets a much larger percentage off MSRP. Ordered my M50i with 11% off list + $4750 Incentives.

[TXSchnee]

Originally Posted by mrjoed2

You mention build prices - how about sale prices? I can guarantee the BMW gets a much larger percentage off MSRP. Ordered my M50i with 11% off list + $4750 Incentives.

Yeah, Porsche doesn't give as much off. I am expecting 8-10% plus there is the $6712 tax credit. BMW would be much cheaper, but less practical (for my needs).

[mrjoed2]

Originally Posted by TXSchnee

Yeah, Porsche doesn't give as much off. I am expecting 8-10% plus there is the $6712 tax credit. BMW would be much cheaper, but less practical (for my needs).

Got you. Surprised, I don't hear Porsche going 8 to 10% Usually around 5% Maybe the competition is getting to them.

[martinf79]

Porsche operates with a full MSRP here in Canada ... at least in the greater TORONTO area. Incremental cost:to benefit ratio makes no sense.

[TXSchnee]

Originally Posted by mrjoed2

Got you. Surprised, I don't hear Porsche going 8 to 10% Usually around 5% Maybe the competition is getting to them.

I think it matters where you are in the US. I can always go to Houston, Dallas or San Antonio if Porsche Austin decides to go back on the agreed understanding of where I expect them to be on price. That may help with actual negotiations. I have backup vehicles in mind, if they do as well, including the G05.

[Mjbmw1]

I have the M50i and love it, used to like Porsche but it's too many buttons I feel like the design is not clean. Now my sister loves it because it has buttons. If you want technology and speed M50i. If you want to say you have porsche well get the Porsche. My M50i will do 0-60 mph in 4.1 with winter tires. I drive on the autobahn usually at 170 and 200 km/h and I still get 20mpg.
I drove at 130km/h and got about 25.
This is a twin turbo V8. I got every option except tv screens and night vision

[screamace]

Originally Posted by TXSchnee

I had planned on getting a G05 M50i, test drove a 50i (just before M50i was released) and am ordering a Cayenne E Hybrid. It was little things that I liked more, but it was lots of little things. Steering feel was better in the Cayenne, so was handling (w/ air suspension and PDCC, both of which I am ordering), size was closer to my F15, but more interior space than the G05. I also like that I will have 455hp and should be averaging at least 28mpg with the hybrid. I personally don't like all the drivers aids, and instead of being able to order ACC as a stand alone option, BMW now makes you order the full nanny package, no thanks. I can order them separate on a Cayenne, and only get what I want. The final nail in the coffin has been the issues posted on this G05 forum, I know forums amplify issues, but this is my daily driver, I don't want it sitting in the service bay for a month while BMW tries to figure out what is wrong. I am keeping my G01 M40i, and may come back to BMW, but right now I am going Porsche.

We almost ordered a Cayenne E-Hybrid earlier last year - glad we didn't as the launch was delayed for a few months. It's a shame BMW didn't bring X5 45e here soon enough. One negative with Cayenne E-Hybrid is the trunk space. The standard one is already pretty small.

We ended up getting the Panamera E-Hybrid. It's wife's dream car and does drive very nicely given its size. But for SUV we are going to stick with BMW

[TXSchnee]

Originally Posted by screamace

We almost ordered a Cayenne E-Hybrid earlier last year - glad we didn't as the launch was delayed for a few months. It's a shame BMW didn't bring X5 45e here soon enough. One negative with Cayenne E-Hybrid is the trunk space. The standard one is already pretty small.

We ended up getting the Panamera E-Hybrid. It's wife's dream car and does drive very nicely given its size. But for SUV we are going to stick with BMW

Yeah, I know they assumed demand would be higher in the EU, but the release of the 45e has taken way too long. Supposedly going to be out sometime this spring. As far as trunk space in the E Hybrid, it is deeper and wider than in my G01, so it will work. The rear seat area has a good amount of space, and we only do a road trip once a year or so, I think it will work out fine. I was considering the Panamera Sport Turismo E Hybrid, but couldn't justify the price of that over the Cayenne at this time. The other thing that worried me about the G05 is how large it has become. My F15 fit in my garage bay, the G05 would be pushing it, the Cayenne is closer in size to the F15, so it should fit better.

[Luminor513]

To answer your question, what does Porsche have that BMW doesn't, only the 911. Everything else in the Porsche lineup is riding on the coat tails of that car. I have yet to be impressed with any car in the modern Porsche lineup besides the 911(I think Porsche knows this too, which might be why there are 100 different models in the 911 lineup)

BMW has a more well rounded overall portfolio of cars. Even Audi is doing a better job than Porsche, with their overall lineup of cars.

[psuibmw]

Porsche has vowels, BMW does not

[jumpingpint]

For 911, why bother? M5 is faster and bigger

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by jumpingpint

For 911, why bother? M5 is faster and bigger

I can't tell if your being serious or sarcastic...

[mcsa]

from 2015: BMW X5 M or Porsche Cayenne Turbo S – Which one would you buy?

https://www.bmwblog.com/2015/02/11/b...rbo-s-one-buy/

[homerrr]

Originally Posted by mcsa

from 2015: BMW X5 M or Porsche Cayenne Turbo S – Which one would you buy?

https://www.bmwblog.com/2015/02/11/b...rbo-s-one-buy/

Looks like the article shows a clear answer, for 2015 at least...

[Mitchfin]

I will say as a family that has had multiple x5 5.0’s (with dynamic handling) and just got a Cayenne turbo, there is something more fun about driving the cayenne. The suspension is much firmer in sport mode, the steering is so direct and it just has so much grip. The x5 is close but there is that extra bit with the cayenne that makes it a more engaging “sports” car. I love both. But I do get more excited when we drive the cayenne. (Seats are way better as well).

A word on build quality, while they are very close Porsche definitely is a clear winner in quality materials, a very well built and solid car.

Absolutely love both brands though.

EDIT: I also live in the mountains and drive lot of curvy roads so handling is very important to me.

[Popp]

Because of the regulations and taxes in my country (Finland), I was looking at PHEVs and EVs mainly Audi e-tron. Porsche E-hybrid would be a competitor but the 14kWh battery (vs 24kWh in the X5) and also the price left it behind BMW (you have to really add everything as options). The X5s electric range of about 80kms is enough for my wifes daily use, and then you have that V6 petrol engine ready for longer trips and occasional fun.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by Popp

and then you have that V6 petrol engine ready for longer trips and occasional fun.

BMW doesn't use V6's only Inline-6's.

[Pro55]

The Porsche servicing costs in the uk are huge. I believe a cambelt change every 40k miles. That must set you back about £5k if you have a service as well. Bmw costs are reasonable for the type of vehicle. I do about 25k miles a year so the difference mounts up. My friend just sold his Maserati granturismo after 4 years and it almost cost in servicing the same as he paid for the car. Largest bill was £14k. I think the Porsche would be similar. Perhaps Cayenne owners could give an insight.

[HMN]

My only experience with a Porsche was a 2013 Cayenne GTS, and it handled like a peach. Other than that, it had nothing over my back-then E71 X6 50i.
I will give them this though: they make the craziest 6 cylinder engines on that 911, but that's about it. BMW wins in tech, comfort, driving feel and overall power (excluding the 911).
I'd take a BMW over a Porsche any day, but will also take Porsche over an Audi or a Merc.

[Super Spartan]

Originally Posted by thereef510

In the process of researching the g05, I looked at other brands. I absolutely didn't like the looks/styling of MB so that was out right off the top. I liked Porsche but I'm so used to iDrive and I really like how easy it is to control that system once you get used to it. I love that BMW still has buttons instead of all touch so you don't have to take your eyes off the road. Porsche also didn't have as many driver aids as BMW now offers so we went ahead and ordered our second X5. But all the youtube and car reviewers swear by the 'unrivaled' driving experience you get with a Porsche. They all consistently rank Porsche at the top, followed by BMW. My question is, is that all hype or are they seriously better? I've never driven a Porsche. And even if I test drove one, I wouldnt be able to let loose on it to really get a feel for it with a salesman sitting next to me. Those of you who have experience with both brands, is the top line Cayenne really worlds better than the X5M?

My wife had a 2017 BMW X5 50i which has around 444 BHP and then sold it as we were in a tight financial situation then recently bought a used 2015 Porsche Cayenne Turbo which has 520 BHP.

I drove both extensively and here are my thoughts:

1) The interior quality and leather in Porsche is better than that of BMW's IMHO.

2) With the X5, when I floored it (yes in Sports +) there was like a 2 second lag until the turbos kicked in and you felt that car really going quick, with the Porsche Cayenne Turbo, the acceleration is instant, 0 turbo lag, it's viceral, scary, but controlled, and it handles much better. Call me crazy but I feel it handles better than my E93 M3. It is insanse to have so much power and great handling from an SUV.