07-31-2023, 10:29 AM | #23 |
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The 19 model didn't have a 48 volt battery.
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07-31-2023, 01:56 PM | #24 | |
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Can I ask why you want to do this? I ask because (as others have pointed out) as soon as the car is turned off, you have the "precondition now option" which allows you to exit the vehicle and keep the HVAC and stereo running while you are gone. What incremental value do (would) you get from having the ICE running? Our use cases could not be more different, so maybe I am just missing your point. You say you keep the thing in Sport; maybe you never charge the battery? I use mine in electric 75% of the time, and hybrid pretty much the rest of the time. |
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With multiple models and model years, it can get confusing about what may work and what may not!
Just a thought, there are places around the world where leaving a vehicle idling is illegal (including some states and cities), so that may also be one reason why BMW chose to implement this the way they did. The only X5 that can precondition with full functionality is the PHEV, as all HVAC is electrically driven...have enough HVB capacity, and you can activate it. Forcing the ICE to run can power the belt driven compressor, but that's not always possible as currently implemented. |
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08-02-2023, 03:29 AM | #26 |
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It's funny that at the same time we have a very extensive thread on here where people complain about the car rolling away after getting out without shutting the car off first.
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08-02-2023, 10:02 AM | #27 |
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If you re read that thread, that happens if someone put the car in netrual, then shut off the car to causing the car to roll. It is about the Neutral, completely not about not shutting the car off or not, or opening the door
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08-02-2023, 10:38 AM | #28 |
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Exactly, and in that regard the X5 works just like almost every other car.
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Honestly it's a very bad idea to have an electric car not shut off when opening the drivers door and there would be tons of people on here complaining how they got run over by their own car if it wouldn't. And there is a simple workaround: Preconditioning. |
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yeah I am still trying to figure out the problem people are trying to solve. Not saying there isn't one; just that I am not getting it. Turn it off, click precondition, go about my business.
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08-02-2023, 12:56 PM | #33 | |
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- if ICE is running in 45e, the car won't shut off. this can be achieved by the hack above, or simply if the car's HVB is low and demand ICE on. So when ICE is on, it isn't dangerous anymore??? - How about on a ICE bmw? this isn't dangerous anymore?? - The rolling issue. This is because people accidentally or intentionally put car in neutral, AND don't use handbrake, and walk away from the car. The open door engine off thing play no roll here. If driver door open not shutting car off is that dangerous, we have had cars like that for almost 100 years, , human would have be endangers species by now.
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This is how all my modern ICE cars handle opening the door with the engine running. |
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08-02-2023, 01:22 PM | #35 |
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Like I said, it is already done that way in 45e at least. I can test on a friend's 40i on weekend. Car in D, R, S, M, as soon as door open, car in P, car shut off. However, if one puts car in N, open door, car will remain on N, car shut off. AND if this someone doesn't use handbrake, sure he/she can get run over. Again, car off when door open did NOT save this person.
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08-02-2023, 01:23 PM | #36 |
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Even when put into park the engine turns off unless you have an X5 with the ASS button, if you turn off ASS the engine stays running.
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Yes, it is dangerous, but like leaving your door unlocked, probably nothing would happen most of the time. But you do read tragedies resulting from this from time to time. And I think one easily preventable tragedy is one too many. |
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08-02-2023, 02:54 PM | #38 | |
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The point is, in X5, car off does NOT mean car does NOT roll. If the concern if car can roll when door is open, the possible solution should be door open => car in park. Not car off => car off.
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I read an article a few years ago that said one unintended consequence of these keyless cars was that people would pull into their garage and get distracted by a phone call or what ever and accidently leave the car running, put the garage door down and go inside. Fire departments saw a huge increase carbon monoxide calls once these keyless cars were out and about. I wonder if BMW programed the car this way to prevent this. Said this happened to the elderly most often probably because they've used a key their whole lives.
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Is it as simple as clicking an option that’s available on the screen as you mentioned? No reply seems to be talking about this at all. If it was this simple why do the buckle up seat belt on an empty driver seat etc? Tesla does the same thing. It provides a “keep climate on” on the screen, you can touch that to turn it on and exit. In the Tesla you (the passenger that’s inside the car) can also just touch the touchscreen and the climate will come on. But if the passenger is in the back it’s not easy to touch the screen. But the “keep the climate on” option is the best way to do it. And if a similar on screen option is available in the BMW then why all this debate?
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the OP wants the HVAC to remain on for passenger comfort when he opens the driver door to exit the vehicle. he can do this by turning on preconditioning before opening the door via the infotainment screen selection or can activate preconditioning via the app after he's left the vehicle. this requires adequate HVB charge, though, so if there isn't enough, he has to resort to workarounds. the "turn off vehicle when opening door" setting confuses many. disabling this setting doesn't prevent the vehicle or HVAC from turning off when opening the driver door. this setting addresses the vehicle electronics (radio, infotainment, etc). |
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You mean precondition may not be available when the HV battery depletes to zero (or almost zero)? Yes that’s understandable but in that scenario none of the options like buckling the driver seat belt etc also won’t work correct? So in the scenarios where it can work why not simply add a shortcut to the precondition to turn it on and use that?
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Also, I want to point out, precondition become unavailable before the HVB gets to a point where ICE needs to kick in. So AC can be running when the car is on in hybrid mode (without ICE), but precondition isn't allowed already. I encountered this situation many times in last week road trip. it is actually a very easy case to encounter in a hot day (100F in south Cal), and driving in location traffic with AC running.
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