[stein_325i]

I'm confused. You're looking at a new car for what reason? Primarily because the cost if got in an accident? Isn't that what insurance is for? Not like a Q8 or QX won't cost a lot if damaged.

[KRS_SN]

x7!

[jad03060]

The US vehicles don't get this turned on, but in many markets, rapid braking causes a different set of lights and functions to turn on in the rear. This can help alert those behind you that might be day-dreaming that you're slowing or stopping. I think it's about restrictions on flashing red lights in the USA. This functionality can be coded on, I think.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by wifesbimmer

He clearly said that he wants to deviate away from BMW.

He was posting the question to rmorin1249 and not the OP.

[rmorin1249]

I am considering the X3M40i but a bit concerned about the ride quality.

[midwestbmwguy]

Originally Posted by Marty in NY

Hmmm, well, don't know the facts surrounding the two rear ends but there was a tank on BaT a few weeks ago, I'm sure that would survive quite well

Ok, you may have seen the Genesis GV80 post, we need a BMW owner to buy one and then report here with comparison findings between it and the G05.

The reviews of the Genesis have not been very good.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by midwestbmwguy

The reviews of the Genesis have not been very good.

Can you please post some of those, every review that has been posted is raving about the Genesis. Car and Driver has even rated it the best mid-size luxury SUV on the market. I think MT was the only one that mentioned a rough ride so likely an anomaly.

[MystroX5]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Can you please post some of those, every review that has been posted is raving about the Genesis. Car and Driver has even rated it the best luxury SUV on the market. I think MT was the only one that mentioned a rough ride so likely an anomaly.

Has to be best bargain luxury SUV maybe???

No way is the Genesis even in the same class consideration with all the super luxury SUV’s. X7 takes that honor away from the Bentayga this year.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

How is that even fathomable with all the super luxury SUV’s?? X7 takes that honor away from the Bentaga this year.

Those are in a different class of vehicle, either large luxury SUV or super luxury SUV. I was referring to the mid size luxury SUV class that the GV80 is in. I will edit the post to make that clear.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by midwestbmwguy

The reviews of the Genesis have not been very good.

Not sure where you're getting your car reviews from. GV80 has received great press from countless reviewers, even got on the 10 Best List for 2021.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

Has to be best bargain luxury SUV maybe???

No way is the Genesis even in the same class consideration with all the super luxury SUV’s. X7 takes that honor away from the Bentayga this year.

That's full-size luxury, not mid-size.

[MystroX5]

There is always a heavy emphasis on “price” with the Genesis to give it high marks. When C&D has the RSQ8 at #5 and Genesis as #1, their priorities are probably not what the real luxury market buyer or driving enthusiast is looking for. Other reviews have the GV80 aimed to poaching Lincoln sales.
The major issue that jumps off the page is the GV80 top engine is a V6 pumping out only 375 hp???
That’s not on the same zip code as any of the Germans top or even mid level engines.


For example:
EdmundsEdmunds says
The Genesis GV80 isn't a perfect midsize luxury SUV, but it's closer than anything in its price range has a right to be. It's distinctive, pretty, comfortable and refined. You can quibble with the limited backseat space and the slow phone connectivity, but you'd be hard-pressed to impress for less.

Then they show similar cars in its class to consider like the VW Atlas, etc..

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

There is always a heavy emphasis on “price” with the Genesis to give it high marks. When C&D has the RSQ8 at #5 and Genesis as #1, their priorities are probably not what the real luxury market buyer or driving enthusiast is looking for.

You have to keep in mind that the majority of luxury SUV buyers are not driving enthusiasts. As you may have noted in the C&D reviews they said something about the driving dynamics/acceleration were not like the would like them to be. What seemed to give the Genesis the high marks was the quality of the materials used and the design.

I have read a good number of reviews on the GV80 and that is the constant theme. It is not materials for the price but rather the quality of the materials overall.

Obviously we are a BMW forum and will be a bit biased but we need to be open to the fact that other brands will be just as good and even better on some things.

[MystroX5]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

You have to keep in mind that the majority of luxury SUV buyers are not driving enthusiasts. As you may have noted in the C&D reviews they said something about the driving dynamics/acceleration were not like the would like them to be. What seemed to give the Genesis the high marks was the quality of the materials used and the design.

I have read a good number of reviews on the GV80 and that is the constant theme. It is not materials for the price but rather the quality of the materials overall.

Obviously we are a BMW forum and will be a bit biased but we need to be open to the fact that other brands will be just as good and even better on some things.

I get the vibe there is a lot of behind the scenes politics in these automotive publications to push the Hyundai up to appear to compete with the top luxury brands. They dance around a lot of issues and what they are not saying or barely mentioning speaks the loudest to me.
I guess if anyone actually believes it or feels it’s worth their money might buy it over a German luxury brand?????

To me it feels like the guy in the grocery line making the argument generic hotdogs are just as good as name brand and swears up and down no one can tell the difference.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

The major issue that jumps off the page is the GV80 top engine is a V6 pumping out only 375 hp???
That’s not on the same zip code as any of the Germans top or even mid level engines.

Power is not an issue at all. We're a minority, most BMW owners can't even tell that their cars are rear wheel drive, or that they have an Inline-6 and not a V6, or that the 40 on the back is not referring to engine displacement. Most of the X5 and X7's in my areas are driven by suburban mom and dads, 375hp is not an issue.

The GV80 is not aiming to be a fun backroad carver. It is aiming to be a luxury SUV, to which it looks like it is succeeding at. They still have their issues, mainly the dealerships, but the current crop of Genesis vehicles as a whole are quite excellent in my opinion.

[MystroX5]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Power is not an issue at all. We're a minority, most BMW owners can't even tell that their cars are rear wheel drive, or that they have an Inline-6 and not a V6, or that the 40 on the back is not referring to engine displacement. Most of the X5 and X7's in my areas are driven by suburban mom and dads, 375hp is not an issue.

The GV80 is not aiming to be a fun backroad carver. It is aiming to be a luxury SUV, to which it looks like it is succeeding at. They still have their issues, mainly the dealerships, but the current crop of Genesis vehicles as a whole are quite excellent in my opinion.

Are you buying one next vehicle??

I have been around this game too long and the same arguments were made at the birth of Lexus but Lexus made a better argument selling the complete luxury car lifestyle at their service centers. Funny thing is the Benz and BMW owners that tried the new LX 450 came right back to their German cars.
On the flip side the domestic car buyers migrated to Lexus as well as aspirational Honda and Toyota buyers moved up to Lexus and Accura.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

Are you buying one next vehicle??

No I don't need an SUV, nor one that big, that doesn't take away that there is no reason to doubt the excellence of this vehicle. Korea isn't putting out cars like they were in the 90's, Hyundai has come a very long way. They may not be up there with Germans in brand recognition but that doesn't mean that they aren't capable of making a luxury SUV that is competitive.

I drove the new G70 3.3TT last year and was very impressed. If I were shopping in that class, I wouldn't hesitate to pick one over a 3-series or C-Class, especially with the new facelift. Most of the team that works at Genesis nowadays actually come from the Germans, including head of R&D at Hyundai/Kia/Genesis and former M-Division Head Albert Biermann.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

I get the vibe there is a lot of behind the scenes politics in these automotive publications to push the Hyundai up to appear to compete with the top luxury brands. They dance around a lot of issues and what they are not saying or barely mentioning speaks the loudest to me.
I guess if anyone actually believes it or feels it’s worth their money might buy it over a German luxury brand?????

To me it feels like the guy in the grocery line making the argument generic hotdogs are just as good as name brand and swears up and down no one can tell the difference.

I have seen quite a few folks who were shopping and considering the X5 now leaning towards the GV80. In order to look at this as objectively as possible, you need to put aside all of your experiences. You are not the type of owner that Genesis is going after. They are going after someone who wants a mid-size luxury SUV for the luxury part of it.

If you look at the top 10 selling mid-size luxury SUVs, it is definitely not a stretch to say the GV80 is better than at least 7 of them, whatever better may mean. Interestingly enough, eyeballing them I think they are more expensive than almost all, if not all, of them. Genesis is no longer the value luxury brand. They are priced close to the Germans because they offer what they believe is a comparable vehicle.

[midwestbmwguy]

Originally Posted by Shaw

So are you suggesting the other proposed vehicles would have a less cost-to-repair?! Have you thought about avoiding those sudden brakes so the poor fellow behind you gets a chance to stop the vehicle before rear ending you? (Just messing with you).
I would still go for another X5 with rear guardrails in your case.

Unfortunately the first time I was at a stoplight and the guy just ignored it. He was in an old Chevy pick up with minimum state coverage. Sadly my carrier had to pick up the difference over his $25,000 state limit policy.

This time I had my left turn signal on stopped waiting for traffic to clear as I was turning into a subdivision. The driver acknowledge to the police that he had looked down at his cell phone and then looked up and it was too late. Fortunately the police officer did give him two tickets one for in a inattentive driving and the other one for following too closely.
I really enjoyed both X5's. I just think that I should try something different because I think that I am snakebit in that vehicle.

[sand99]

The Car and Driver story listed the BMW X5, Volvo XC90, and Porsche Cayenne as the the best midsize luxury SUVs, I guess they couldn't pick one.

Best large luxury SUV was the BMW X7 by itself.

Here is the story.

[codex57]

I'm really confused here about Mystos. His rep says he's been around a long time as a good contribute. His remarks here are come off as a total troll. He compares the GV80 to a X7 and a Bentayga? WTF? Then he complains about the V6 only putting out 375 hp, when the X5/X7 I6 only puts out 335, which is way less. Is this some bizarre attempt at reverse psychology?

[alewifebp]

I'm not really sure I'm understanding the issue here. Nearly every car sold today north of 30K is probably going to have enough electronics and sensors and other equipment that the costs to replace parts after an accident is going to be an expensive proposition. Certainly any other German manufacturer isn't going to save you from the car being totaled. Whether it be an MB GLE or MLB platform VAG product from the Touereg up to the Urus or Bentayga, it is going to cost a lot to repair.

If you want something with plentiful parts that won't get marked as totaled after an accident, buy a B-body GM car. Probably enough cheap parts to last a few lifetimes with those vehicles.