[sygazelle]

Originally Posted by eelnoraa

what do you guys do for leaving?? I hope I can afford to change car every couple of months LOL

I don't know about these two quick-replace champions, but I'm guessing there isn't a direct correlation between income and car buying/leasing decisions.

I know some well-healed people who are not "car guys" and get nice mid-priced transportation cars and keep them for years. I know other people who don't have big incomes but choose to spend what they do have on the latest and greatest cars. Most of them at least wait until their lease is up before switching, but not always. They just want something different and live under the "life's too short to not have that next shiny thing" philosophy.

It probably costs $10 to 30k to switch cars. Plus, car payments are much higher when you switch often because you are always at the highest point of the depreciation curve. Over the years, that adds up to a lot of money to drive the very latest all the time. For these guys, it's worth it.

[JK479]

Originally Posted by mnx5er

I have owned way too many X5s over the years (around 20). Bad hobby!

I traded my 2022 45e in for a 2024 40i. I've owned 40i and 50i X5s in the past (plus previous generation 35, etc)

I love playing with the latest and didn't like the electric only power of the 45e or the luxury seats, so took a shot at the new 40i.

My 2024 is an Alpine White M-Sport with Coffee Sensafin interior.

Likes

1. Sensafin has really surprised me. I really like it, first time I have had it and I do not miss leather.
2. Glad to have the HK back, like it better than the base system I had from the pandemic even with mods done
3. Parts of the external refresh look nice, the black on the front is iffy and maybe a little too Kia like. Either way, many positive comments from others on the look
4. Prefer the overall drive of the 40i. It is obviously lighter than the 45e but I prefer this suspension over the 45e air suspension.
5. Voice recognition is very good.
6. Seats, love the base sport seats. For me much nicer than the luxury seats in comfort.

Dislikes/Issues

1. iDrive 8. Hate it. I fiddle with the A/C fan speed and it is a pain. Even changing the temp requires a pretty exact press which is hard while driving, especially on bumpy roads. Voice recognition is good - but I do not talk to my car when I have passenger(s). Radio presets up/down on the steering wheel do not always work.
2. Stop/Start. Terrible since it impacts the A/C. It has been around 90 here the last few days and the A/C is not as powerful when the engine stops (not an issue with the 45e). Also [...]

Can u code that stop start non sense. I have a defeat on my dash but once it was coded..

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by JK479

Can u code that stop start non sense. I have a defeat on my dash but once it was coded..

No, only a few small cosmetic items can be coded since BMW moved to secure coding.

[JK479]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

No, only a few small cosmetic items can be coded since BMW moved to secure coding.

Even w/ 48 volt hybrid tech- the start stop isn’t smooth. I had an LCI test drive and problem I have is it stops so easily. Three or 4 times while moving up at a stop light. How is this luxurious? It’s idiotic. Makes you drive in sport just to defeat it. But sport shifts are subtle.

To answer someone else’s question- EV is smooth and effortless.

But this b58 and 8 speed is too! Comfort needs a settling to delete ASS completely and remembered on start up.

[wufpak]

Originally Posted by mnx5er

I have owned way too many X5s over the years (around 20). Bad hobby!

I traded my 2022 45e in for a 2024 40i. I've owned 40i and 50i X5s in the past (plus previous generation 35, etc)

I can’t even take the rest of this post seriously. This is so odd.

[LuvMyE92]

Originally Posted by mnx5er

I traded my 2022 45e in for a 2024 40i. I've owned 40i and 50i X5s in the past (plus previous generation 35, etc)

1. Sensafin has really surprised me. I really like it, first time I have had it and I do not miss leather.
6. Seats, love the base sport seats. For me much nicer than the luxury seats in comfort.

Dislikes/Issues

1. iDrive 8. Hate it.
2. Stop/Start. Terrible since it impacts the A/C.
3. Engine updates. Engine has a bit of a raspy sound when just started in the morning.

Curious on other thoughts.

We picked up the wife's new 2024 X5 Saturday. She drove it around that day. I got it Sunday. So only a little bit of time for first impressions, but I concur on the seats, although we did get the luxury for some reason that I can't remember. Oh, I think they were part of a package...

1. Agree, although "hate" is a little strong so far, it is buggy and I had issues.
2. It was warm (upper 80s) here Saturday, and the start/stop didn't seem to be an issue with HVAC. I think it's much better than it was on earlier cars. Our car is an sDrive 40i (no hybrid stuff).
3. This "feature" is even worse on my M car. I think it's just what they do for quick engine warm-up.

I'm not an SUV lover, but this car is really nice and I'm enjoying it so far.

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

No, only a few small cosmetic items can be coded since BMW moved to secure coding.

I couldn't even get my BimmerCode adapter to connect to the car.

As for the 20 previous cars that the OP has gone through... I too belong to the club of wasteful spending on massive depreciation in too short of a time. COWSOMDITST

I have a spreadsheet (that I need to update) that shows that I keep cars on average, 13 months. That is probably down to 12 now. It numbers in the mid-fifties, I think, of total cars owned. I don't count motorcycles or the wife's cars, just mine. A few outliers skewed the average-I had a Corvette that I kept for 10 years, a couple of BMWs that didn't make it past 2 months, etc.

I traded in my 8-month old (from new) M550i on the G05.

[Giggler]

Originally Posted by JK479

Even w/ 48 volt hybrid tech- the start stop isn’t smooth. I had an LCI test drive and problem I have is it stops so easily. Three or 4 times while moving up at a stop light. How is this luxurious? It’s idiotic. Makes you drive in sport just to defeat it. But sport shifts are subtle.

To answer someone else’s question- EV is smooth and effortless.

But this b58 and 8 speed is too! Comfort needs a settling to delete ASS completely and remembered on start up.

Does the LCI 40i X5 you test drove have the driver's assistant and parking professional packages? One of the things I noticed with my M340i (and there's discussion about it over in the G20 forum) is the start/stop function clearly works better in cars with the radar sensors and extra cameras.

It's not clearly documented, but the radar sensors and cameras would appear to read the environment and make predicative start/stop decisions based on changing lights/signs/moving cars. For example, at a stop light, the engine will start the very nanosecond the cars in front or beside you start to move forward instead of waiting for you to put your foot on the gas. Another example is it reads that you're stopping at a stop sign, and therefore will not shut off the engine. Same thing when creeping along a metering lane on a freeway onramp.

My wife's Lexus (NX350) is like you describe... it shuts off overzealously at any and all stops, and the engine only turns back on AFTER you put your foot on the gas which then takes a full second for the engine to come back to live to move the car forward... extremely annoying, but there's a button to turn it off.

[JK479]

Giggler

Hi- Yes, it had the driver’s assistant pro, heads up, parking pro. It’s important to test drive it and know it can’t be coded off (Turtle confirmed for me).

The better smoother drive is the IX but it lacks all the practical avenues the x5 affords. More range, better tailgate and livability.

I happen to think the LCI looks better on the non Msport too. Id8 just feels more at home on the IX.

[Giggler]

Originally Posted by JK479

Giggler

Hi- Yes, it had the driverÂ’s assistant pro, heads up, parking pro. ItÂ’s important to test drive it and know it canÂ’t be coded off (Turtle confirmed for me).

The better smoother drive is the IX but it lacks all the practical avenues the x5 affords. More range, better tailgate and livability.

I happen to think the LCI looks better on the non Msport too. Id8 just feels more at home on the IX.

Yes, thanks for the warning... I will be looking out for this when I get a test drive.

Sort of a side note and good to know information: The reason why BMW is moving away from all the buttons and integrating everything into a touchscreen via iDrive8 is because behind every button (or button array) is a legacy circuit board that communicates the button inputs back to the ECU. The factories that make these various legacy circuit boards are all old and failing, resulting in supply chain disruptions. It's unfortunate, but this is how things will move forward.
I've seen lots of POV driving videos of the LCI and I see them fumbling with the new iD8 touchscreen UI trying to get to feature that used to be a finger press away.

I think the key to iD8 is going to be getting comfortable with using the voice commands. If iD8 is anything like iD7 in this regard, accessing a feature is always a voice command away. They even got rid of the distance control buttons on the steering wheel for adaptive cruise control... UGH!

[Giggler]

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[mlurker]

Originally Posted by mnx5er

Likes

4. Prefer the overall drive of the 40i. It is obviously lighter than the 45e but I prefer this suspension over the 45e air suspension.
6. Seats, love the base sport seats. For me much nicer than the luxury seats in comfort.

4. Can you elaborate more on the suspension? I own 45e 2022, had 40i 2023 for a day, but didn't have a chance to test drive LCI version yet. Regular suspension is jumpy + rolls forward on a hard stop noticeably vs air one.

6. Sport seats are better than multi-contour ones? My back told the the opposite.

[mnx5er]

Originally Posted by mlurker

4. Can you elaborate more on the suspension? I own 45e 2022, had 40i 2023 for a day, but didn't have a chance to test drive LCI version yet. Regular suspension is jumpy + rolls forward on a hard stop noticeably vs air one.

6. Sport seats are better than multi-contour ones? My back told the the opposite.

I have the MSport which has the adaptive suspension. For me it feels tighter to the road and corners better than the air suspension in the 45e. Also important to remember that the 45e is heavier.

BMW has three levels if seats in the X5

Sport (Standard)
Multi-Contour (Offers more adjustability)
Luxury (Adds ventilation and massage)

Note the luxury seats can vary if massage is included or not.

I do not care for the ventilation or massage. Both make the seat harder/less comfortable for me.

I really like the multi-contour when you can get them as-is. BMW messes around and sometimes you cannot get them plain.

Sport seats really aren't bad. Still pretty adjustable but not as good as the multi-contour.

All my own experiences obviously.

[mattsrs]

Originally Posted by mnx5er

I have the MSport which has the adaptive suspension. For me it feels tighter to the road and corners better than the air suspension in the 45e. Also important to remember that the 45e is heavier.

BMW has three levels if seats in the X5

Sport (Standard)
Multi-Contour (Offers more adjustability)
Luxury (Adds ventilation and massage)

Note the luxury seats can vary if massage is included or not.

I do not care for the ventilation or massage. Both make the seat harder/less comfortable for me.

I really like the multi-contour when you can get them as-is. BMW messes around and sometimes you cannot get them plain.

Sport seats really aren't bad. Still pretty adjustable but not as good as the multi-contour.

All my own experiences obviously.

Just to add to your experience with seats, I will not buy any BMW without the multi-contour seats. The shoulder of base sport seats are way too uncomfortable for me

[jackaleyess]

Whats the rationale behind changing same model from pre lci to lci within 2 years? Is car really that cheap in that part of the world? Lol

[LDT]

Originally Posted by mnx5er

Yes, 20 of them. Usually trade them in around 9 months.

Bad hobby.

I must show this to my wife. She thinks my 15–20 month cycle is crazy. I appreciate you making me look good😎

[mlurker]

Originally Posted by jackaleyess

Whats the rationale behind changing same model from pre lci to lci within 2 years? Is car really that cheap in that part of the world? Lol

welcome to the United States, land of freedom and unlimited possibilities.

[mnx5er]

Originally Posted by jackaleyess

Whats the rationale behind changing same model from pre lci to lci within 2 years? Is car really that cheap in that part of the world? Lol

None (I am the OP). I just love messing around with different builds, drivetrains, etc. I do switch to other cars at times and then back to BMW. Obviously no logic to do it, I just can and enjoy it.

Years ago I was bothered by people giving me crap for all my car trading. Got over that and decided it was my bad hobby which I love.

[jackaleyess]

Originally Posted by mnx5er

None (I am the OP). I just love messing around with different builds, drivetrains, etc. I do switch to other cars at times and then back to BMW. Obviously no logic to do it, I just can and enjoy it.

Years ago I was bothered by people giving me crap for all my car trading. Got over that and decided it was my bad hobby which I love.

Haha, well one thing for sure. Cara are defo cheaper in your part of the world. I just gotten X5 45e and it cost me USD 95k. Will keep for 6-7 years before i up the game. Hoping around aint our kinda hobby in this part of the world. High taxes for corrupted regime. From Malaysia.

[jackaleyess]

Originally Posted by mlurker

welcome to the United States, land of freedom and unlimited possibilities.

Understood land of possibilities but heck, cars are cheap but u guys must be doing some lucrative business.

In my part of the corrupted world, the best u do is 36 months cycle. And those only cater for extra filthy rich individual.

[chrisdavelaw]

Originally Posted by mnx5er

Sadly coding is not an option on the LCI. I used to code start stop off in the past.

The AC claims to maintain temperature but it does not feel like it and the fan slows down. I end up hitting Sport to start the engine.

Are you 100% sure? That's terrible to hear. I really do not like auto start stop. It would impact a new purchase. It seems like with m cars you can still do it. I wonder with the x5m if you can turn it off or not.

[chrisdavelaw]

Originally Posted by mnx5er

Yes, 20 of them. Usually trade them in around 9 months.

Bad hobby.

Just curious, do you lose money on depreciation everytime? I am not asking for numbers just curious how that works.

[JCZ5]

Who cares if the OP switches cars frequently. Even if he switches ever 2 months, good for him!

People spend and prioritize money on all sorts of “nonesense”. My Nonsense is watches and I even admit it’s pretty nuts for an item that does nothing lol.

Keep trading OP and I look forward to hear your future impressions!