[x622]

Originally Posted by -Vanguard-

They are not the "same engine"

Thats like saying the B58 and S58 are the same thing.

The Urus engine, as the Porsche GT engine have different components and tuning done by Lambo/Porsche.

It is nothing like the difference between the B58 and S58.

They are literally the same engine.
https://www.bullstuff.com/piston-complete-pn-0P2107066C

You can peruse this, but same rods, same pistons, same block. It is nothing like the difference between the B58 and S58.

I couldn't tell if they had different geometry borg warner turbos, and I don't have time to do a deep dive of a parts catalog to prove someone wrong on the internet™

[onfireX5]

Originally Posted by x622

It is nothing like the difference between the B58 and S58.

They are literally the same engine.
https://www.bullstuff.com/piston-complete-pn-0P2107066C

You can peruse this, but same rods, same pistons, same block. It is nothing like the difference between the B58 and S58.

I couldn't tell if they had different geometry borg warner turbos, and I don't have time to do a deep dive of a parts catalog to prove someone wrong on the internet™

Interesting that we both own Porsche Turbo S's , but both chose the X5MC over the Porsche GT. I tried hard to sway my decision to the GT to keep things simple on maintenance, etc......but the X5MC was just too good.

[M3PGH]

I have a 992 tts coming in three weeks to replace a 992 C4S
just bought a 23 Cayenne GTS .... It is simply fantastic and that is coming from a guy that does not like SUV
it is nimble
sounds great
handles well
always in the right gear
very very impressive

[x622]

Originally Posted by onfireX5

Interesting that we both own Porsche Turbo S's , but both chose the X5MC over the Porsche GT. I tried hard to sway my decision to the GT to keep things simple on maintenance, etc......but the X5MC was just too good.

I thought the same thing when I saw you had both too! I do really like the GT and it's a great car, but I like the X5MC better. I even thought I was going to keep the M5 CS but I just.. couldn't stop my self from choosing the 911 every time I picked the keys off the holder. It was a great highway missile and turned decently sure, but it was no 911.

I feel very fortunate every time I look in my garage and see the toys I have to choose from.

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by onfireX5

Interesting that we both own Porsche Turbo S's , but both chose the X5MC over the Porsche GT. I tried hard to sway my decision to the GT to keep things simple on maintenance, etc......but the X5MC was just too good.

Nah admit it we are just penny pinchers.

[onfireX5]

Originally Posted by x622

I thought the same thing when I saw you had both too! I do really like the GT and it's a great car, but I like the X5MC better. I even thought I was going to keep the M5 CS but I just.. couldn't stop my self from choosing the 911 every time I picked the keys off the holder. It was a great highway missile and turned decently sure, but it was no 911.

I feel very fortunate every time I look in my garage and see the toys I have to choose from.

Awesome choice for any day ! Cheers !

[onfireX5]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

Nah admit it we are just penny pinchers.

When they say it’s not the money…..

[superfuel]

Not to go off track here.

Whats the longevity of a Cayenne compared to a X5? I've heard conflicted opinions regarding both these SUVs with high mileage.

[Savoy2001]

So cayenne turbo is very nice but not 200k nice imo. The x5mc is the sweet spot as far as luxury high performance SUV's go for me. I mean it's faster and what not but is it really worth that extra 60-70k? Not to me. It has the Porsche tax on it like all their cars do. Yes all very nice but all much more expensive than they need or should be.

[onfireX5]

If Porsche had put the X5MC Body , Interior and BMW Idrive onto the GT (Dreaming here), I would have bought the GT in a heartbeat. It has some neat features OEM like Ti Akra exhaust, Superlight Forged wheels (much lighter than my oem forged 818's), and it does have the Ring record now. But, (and I am a Porsche snob...lol..) I would not trade even for one because a RaceChip on the X makes more power and the X Interior/Exterior/Electronics rule. The GT needs a completely new platform to move past the X. A bit more power and handling does not cut it.

[Savoy2001]

Originally Posted by onfireX5

If Porsche had put the X5MC Body , Interior and BMW Idrive onto the GT (Dreaming here), I would have bought the GT in a heartbeat. It has some neat features OEM like Ti Akra exhaust, Superlight Forged wheels (much lighter than my oem forged 818's), and it does have the Ring record now. But, (and I am a Porsche snob...lol..) I would not trade even for one because a RaceChip on the X makes more power and the X Interior/Exterior/Electronics rule. The GT needs a completely new platform to move past the X. A bit more power and handling does not cut it.

You left out a very important fact. When equally speced and maxed out there is a tremendous price delta between the two. Upwards of 60-70k if I'm not mistaken last time I looked at GT's. Totally ridiculous.

[onfireX5]

Porsche tax.

[BobsM3Coupe]

Porsche nickels and dimes you to death. I believe they still have the gall to charge extra for Sirius XM and then they only include a 90 free trial subscription. Oh boy!!! What a bunch of crooks.

[LSM]

I opt for a Cayenne GTS Coupe over a similarly priced X5M Comp. X5M is a great SAV just wasn’t my favorite.

The X5M is faster than my GTS in a straight line, 3.9 for gts is def not slow though. Exhaust sound is fantastic, driving, handling feel, steering feel I felt were superior in the GTS. It feels more buttoned down, is 450 lbs lighter and feels more nimble. The massive wheel gap on the X5M I didn’t like either. The air suspension on the gts is magical

I would choose a turbo GT over a X5M 10 out of 10 times. I don’t really see them as competitors either

I’ve owned far more BMW’s than any other brand, many m cars most recent f90 M5 a few years ago. Love the brand.

[Savoy2001]

Originally Posted by LSM

I opt for a Cayenne GTS Coupe over a similarly priced X5M Comp. X5M is a great SAV just wasn’t my favorite.

The X5M is faster than my GTS in a straight line, 3.9 for gts is def not slow though. Exhaust sound is fantastic, driving, handling feel, steering feel I felt were superior in the GTS. It feels more buttoned down, is 450 lbs lighter and feels more nimble. The massive wheel gap on the X5M I didn’t like either. The air suspension on the gts is magical

I would choose a turbo GT over a X5M 10 out of 10 times. I don’t really see them as competitors either

I’ve owned far more BMW’s than any other brand, many m cars most recent f90 M5 a few years ago. Love the brand.

So you think a loaded turbo gt vs a loaded x5mc is worth 60-70k more?

[LSM]

Originally Posted by Savoy2001

So you think a loaded turbo gt vs a loaded x5mc is worth 60-70k more?

Yes I would take the Turbo GT over the X5M at 70k more. I prefer my same price Cayenne GTS Coupe over the X5M.

Is a X5M worth double a X5 4.0? Same rational.

[Savoy2001]

Originally Posted by LSM

Yes I would take the Turbo GT over the X5M at 70k more.

Is a X5M worth double a X5 4.0? Same rational.

That isn't even close to the same rationale. Not even close. The performance in the regular x5 vs the M version is light years apart. The performance difference between the X5MC vs the GT is very close. There is simply no way the GT deserves to command 70k more vs the X5MC. The only way and I mean only way someone justifies the extra expense is if your a die hard Porsche cool aid drinker and I mean die hard to put it lightly. lol Simply no comparison dude sorry. You want to say it's worth 10-20k more maybe you have a shot but at 60-70 hell no. Not even close.

[LSM]

Originally Posted by Savoy2001

That isn't even close to the same rationale. Not even close. The performance in the regular x5 vs the M version is light years apart. The performance difference between the X5MC vs the GT is very close. There is simply no way the GT deserves to command 70k more vs the X5MC. The only way and I mean only way someone justifies the extra expense is if your a die hard Porsche cool aid drinker and I mean die hard to put it lightly. lol Simply no comparison dude sorry. You want to say it's worth 10-20k more maybe you have a shot but at 60-70 hell no. Not even close.

It handles better, is faster, looks nicer inside, sounds better, has better steering to name a few. When you mean close you are referring to straight line performance only? That doesn’t make a car. Tesla Model X plaid blows everything away in a straight line that make it better? Plenty of cars fast in straight line. The Corvette is better than M4 argument never held water with me.

You driven a recent model year Porsche 911 or higher model cayenne or cayman? They drive much differently than BMW’s they just do.

So in your eyes a Urus and X5M are also same?

I’ve owned 4x the number of bmw as Porsche. 10+ M cars,

[Savoy2001]

Originally Posted by LSM

It handles better, is faster, looks nicer inside, sounds better, has better steering to name a few. When you mean close you are referring to straight line performance only? That doesn’t make a car. Tesla Model X plaid blows everything away in a straight line that make it better? Plenty of cars fast in straight line. The Corvette is better than M4 argument never held water with me.

You driven a recent model year Porsche 911 or higher model cayenne or cayman? They drive much differently than BMW’s they just do.

So in your eyes a Urus and X5M are also same?

I’ve owned 4x the number of bmw as Porsche. 10+ M cars,

I haven't driven a recent Porsche suv I'll admit but I have driven a 21 Urus and yes very nice but No where 300k nice. Yes the X5MC is just as nice imo.

[vladberca]

Originally Posted by LSM

I opt for a Cayenne GTS Coupe over a similarly priced X5M Comp. X5M is a great SAV just wasn’t my favorite.

The X5M is faster than my GTS in a straight line, 3.9 for gts is def not slow though. Exhaust sound is fantastic, driving, handling feel, steering feel I felt were superior in the GTS. It feels more buttoned down, is 450 lbs lighter and feels more nimble. The massive wheel gap on the X5M I didn’t like either. The air suspension on the gts is magical

I would choose a turbo GT over a X5M 10 out of 10 times. I don’t really see them as competitors either

I’ve owned far more BMW’s than any other brand, many m cars most recent f90 M5 a few years ago. Love the brand.

A Cayenne GTS Coupe is a rival for X6 M50i...
Comparing it with the Competition M model is simply hilarious, but I'd try what you're smoking

[x622]

We're not even on rennlist and the Porsche nutswingers are out in full force. Buy what you like. I had a choice of whatever I wanted and I got another "inferior" X5M. This may change with the refresh, who knows. I did intentionally buy a pre-LCI X5M because of the S68 and iDrive 8.

[LSM]

Originally Posted by Savoy2001

I haven't driven a recent Porsche suv I'll admit but I have driven a 21 Urus and yes very nice but No where 300k nice. Yes the X5MC is just as nice imo.

Don’t get me wrong the X5M is a fantastic vehicle not saying it’s not, agree that it’s a ton of car for the money.
Porsches drive different.

But to each his own. Best wishes