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      12-25-2020, 02:22 PM   #1
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Has Lane departure/steering intervention gotten any better since 07/2020?

I have had this feature turned off since we took delivery after reading some rather scary posts here about how the system often times veered into a direction. Has this feature gotten any better or safer?
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      12-25-2020, 03:46 PM   #2
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I'm on 7/2020, and the system works much the same as previous versions. I have it turned on all the time, and it hasn't been scary or annoying. You can adjust the settings, or as you've done just turn it off. There are two components - Lane Departure Warning, and Steering Intervention. If you just want to be alerted that you're departing the lane, Lane Departure Warning will vibrate the steering wheel to alert you (and you can adjust the vibrations and when you get the warnings - Early, Medium, Reduced or Off). If you want to be steered back into the lane, checking the Steering Intervention box will allow the car to automatically steer back into the lane. It does this by using the cameras to follow lane markings. It's not inherently unsafe, but it will move the steering wheel. And it will follow what it thinks are lane markings - whether they exist or not sometimes, and whether they lead to an exit you don't intend to take or not. And whether there are obstacles to avoid or not, like pedestrians or other cars impinging on the lane, where other safety systems like Collision Avoidance may intervene. And those automatic actions can surprise you if you're not alert, although the fact that you have the system engaged should not in fact surprise you, if you turned them on. That's the current state of the technology. The steering force is easily overcome by manually steering. And the other issues avoided by paying attention. Which you should do any time you get behind the wheel of multiple tons of moving steel. In my opinion.
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      12-25-2020, 03:57 PM   #3
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Things may get to the point of self-driving eventually, but the system still requires the operator to be alert as implemented. From what I've experienced, if you are alert, it's not hard to understand what it's doing, and if it's not, to override it without issues.
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      12-25-2020, 04:21 PM   #4
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thank you, I have always had the lane departure warning enabled. I'll try adding the steering intervention and see how it goes.
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      12-25-2020, 05:09 PM   #5
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thank you, I have always had the lane departure warning enabled. I'll try adding the steering intervention and see how it goes.
Might try "Medium" or "Reduced" settings at first until you become accustomed to the feel - it's really very configurable, and I think most of the complaints are because of the more aggressive higher settings. The G05 actually operates very similarly to my previous Q7, which was typical of the breed. It's useful technology, but doesn't replace me at the wheel, and I understand how the system works and its limitations.
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I have lane departure warning enabled, but steering wheel intervention disabled. To my taste, steering wheel intervention is too strong, kind of scary
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      12-25-2020, 08:31 PM   #7
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I have had mine turned on since since I got it, setting it to Early seems to provide the best results.
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I went from 03/2020 to 11/2020. I have steering wheel intervention on. I think it does the job a bit better but I never really rely on it.

I do however think ACC does a better job after the update. It detects vehicles standing still for a red light earlier when I am approaching at 50-60 km/h and slowing down is fluent. It used to react too late and sudden in those situations
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I went from 03/2020 to 11/2020. I have steering wheel intervention on. I think it does the job a bit better but I never really rely on it.

I do however think ACC does a better job after the update. It detects vehicles standing still for a red light earlier when I am approaching at 50-60 km/h and slowing down is fluent. It used to react too late and sudden in those situations
Agree - the radar seems to pick up stopped vehicles earlier and react quicker. Still need to pay attention approaching a light, but I'd say it's 90% now.
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      12-26-2020, 12:21 PM   #10
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Interesting. I always turn off drive assistant whenever I'm approaching a red light precisely because I don't like the late sudden stop it does. I'll definitely try it out now and see if it's reacting earlier and smoother
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Interesting. I always turn off drive assistant whenever I'm approaching a red light precisely because I don't like the late sudden stop it does. I'll definitely try it out now and see if it's reacting earlier and smoother
I had exactly the same issue.

What I did is gradually going down manually to 30 and when it detected the car in front and started slowing down I increased the set speed again.

But now I can leave it. Haven't tried it at 70 km/h but at 50 km/h it works.

Wonder if you experience the same
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      12-26-2020, 03:23 PM   #12
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Unless you live in an area with clear markings, i would turn off steering intervention as ive had a close call when i first got the car. Almost drove me into a concrete barrier ( or at least pretended to)

anyone else notice lighter steering at city speeds with the recent 07/2020 update?
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      12-26-2020, 04:05 PM   #13
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Unless you live in an area with clear markings, i would turn off steering intervention as ive had a close call when i first got the car. Almost drove me into a concrete barrier ( or at least pretended to)
Yeah I think I remember reading about your post and that's what caused me to disable the feature from the start. I have no idea if we have 'clear' lane markings or not. I assume they're pretty good overall. But I enabled the intervention today and it did gently nudge me back into the lane a few times when I wasn't paying attention. And one time it yelled at me over the HUD that I wasn't paying enough attention and staying in my lane lol
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I have tried for two periods of time to let it on, but i cant stand it. It has to be with my way of driving, I like to cut a little bit of the curve (when no other vehicles) and thats impossible. Also in the highway if you drive high speeds I think it is dangerous, because small movements are made before you hold the steering wheel, and at that speed you may crash.
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FWIW, I also have lane departure intervention turned off and notification (vibrate) turned on. But if one is to have intervention on, I think you have to start with Early as that actually prevents large corrections. "Early" (which would otherwise likely be described as "high sensitivity" in a typical German fashion) means that it corrects quickly when you even slightly depart from its perceived centre of lane, which (slightly counterintuitively) results minor gentle correction versus when you use one of the other sensitivity settings that allow you to drift more within the lane, which in turn eventually results in a (necessarily?) much more aggressive correction and is the mode that *feels* dangerous.
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The lane departure does not try to keep you in the center of the lane but rather from going out of the lane. With Early on it seems to start correcting right before hitting either of the outer lines rather than when you cross them. While I usually am using the cruise with steering, when I have that off I can drive to one side of the lane or the other and not have any corrections occur unless I'm just about to hit the line.
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The lane departure does not try to keep you in the center of the lane but rather from going out of the lane. With Early on it seems to start correcting right before hitting either of the outer lines rather than when you cross them. While I usually am using the cruise with steering, when I have that off I can drive to one side of the lane or the other and not have any corrections occur unless I'm just about to hit the line.
Well, it's been a long time since I had intervention on. But when I did, Early (whatever it is doing or supposed to do), was the only usable setting at all. Perhaps Early works the way you describe, but how does one rationalize the label "Early" against that? Just 5 random letters?
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Well, it's been a long time since I had intervention on. But when I did, Early (whatever it is doing or supposed to do), was the only usable setting at all. Perhaps Early works the way you describe, but how does one rationalize the label "Early" against that? Just 5 random letters?
It makes sense to use the term Early since in Medium mode the steering does not happen until after you cross the line. There is a video in the online manual that shows the operation in what appears to be Medium mode due to the steering not occurring until the line is crossed.
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Well, it's been a long time since I had intervention on. But when I did, Early (whatever it is doing or supposed to do), was the only usable setting at all. Perhaps Early works the way you describe, but how does one rationalize the label "Early" against that? Just 5 random letters?
It makes sense to use the term Early since in Medium mode the steering does not happen until after you cross the line. There is a video in the online manual that shows the operation in what appears to be Medium mode due to the steering not occurring until the line is crossed.
Ok, maybe, but unless I normally drive like a drunken sailor, that (push back only after crossing the lane marker) is not what it felt like at all and therefore I didn't interpret those settings the same way. What it felt like in all settings other than Early is an aggressive push back to the point of scarring me every time it happened as it felt it would overshoot the correction (and it happened a lot, hence the drunken sailor comment).
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I am somewhat of a control freak so I didn't think I'd use this functionality. However after my first 1000mi, I'm finding I really like it. 3-4 times it has tried to follow an exit I didn't want but otherwise really accurate. Very intuitive, unintrusive, and natural feeling to me.
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I am somewhat of a control freak so I didn't think I'd use this functionality. However after my first 1000mi, I'm finding I really like it. 3-4 times it has tried to follow an exit I didn't want but otherwise really accurate. Very intuitive, unintrusive, and natural feeling to me.
Are you maybe referring to cruise with steering/lane control rather than lane keeping assist?
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Yeah I think I remember reading about your post and that's what caused me to disable the feature from the start. I have no idea if we have 'clear' lane markings or not. I assume they're pretty good overall. But I enabled the intervention today and it did gently nudge me back into the lane a few times when I wasn't paying attention. And one time it yelled at me over the HUD that I wasn't paying enough attention and staying in my lane lol
Apologies if i rang the scare alarms. ive got a whole lot of road construction and infrastructure build around where i live. In many instances many ground markings have either been over ridden or the use of concrete barriers have been temporarily placed which make it more tricky for driving assistant systems.

On roads i trust, i operate the automated cruise rather than having full time constant corrections every time the car *thinks* im going out of the designated lanes. Something tells me its a bit too early to rely on it in the environment i drive in.
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