10-13-2020, 11:39 AM | #1 |
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2021 Cloud Navigation cost?
My question is... what will happen to my cloud navigation some time in the future when BMW no longer allows unpaid data to stream through the LTE network? I'm assuming they will offer me a "subscription" to keep using my navigation system. Every other car navigation system keeps working long after updates stop and most of the time it's still very useful. If I don't want to pay the "subscription" price, will I have a $70K car with no navigation?
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In Europe Connected packages are from 70 - 250 euro a year depending on the chosen services. I think they are included for 3 years. |
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10-13-2020, 07:46 PM | #3 |
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As X5 45e noted you'll always have navigation from the system on the HDD.
The "cloud" features are stuff like being able to suggest a route to you that takes into account traffic conditions, parking availability, etc. You get the "cloud" stuff free for 4 years and if you see it as worthy you can subscribe for $200/year afterwards. The more interesting one that may go away in 4 years without a subscription is the Voice Controls. The Intelligent Personal Assistant is only included for 4 years, but they don't do a good job of showing you what voice support would exist without that sub in place... |
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Interesting. Do elaborate much further on this, please, perhaps in its own thread. For example, no HDD or no system storage at all? Seems unlikely ...
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My spidy sense tells me ... no HHD in the MY2021 X5 and now navigation is cloud based and BMW is introducing "subscription" products ... that some how my brand new 2021 BMW X5 will not have a navigation system in a few years without me paying BMW.
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10-14-2020, 12:28 AM | #8 | |
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Taking away the HHD would change how of Idrive 7 navigation works. Or is it just the possibility to store music that is deleted? I don't think lots of owners use that anymore and will navigation still have a smaller HHD for the maps. Interesting to know what will be happening. You can be sure that every company will try to make money out of subscriptions. If they find a way to get you dependent on a certain service you will stay within a brand in the future. |
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No HDD on 2021 models. Probably will go on subscription after 3 years, BUT with Android Auto you ca use a variety of applications for navigation. In the mean time, I presume that full capacity of the automated driving will be aloud ONLY with BMW based navi cloud, a great way to take money from clients. |
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It is not completely clear to me if it is the destination search / point of interest / favorite destinations that are cloud based and the maps are still on the HDD. If this service expires you will be left with a static system just being able to navigate to an adress in the stored maps. Or if indeed everything is in the cloud including the maps there won't be anything at all. The cloud based navigation Sounds like a good upgrade for destination search and navigating. I have read some others articles and with idrive cloud based navigation, navigating should be more like using google maps and Waze. The difference was the traffic info etc was not update a frequently so GM and Waze worked better. So no routes should be optimized more frequently. |
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Hopefully BMW didn't screw that up as a car environment is much harsher and more limited communication environment than a smartphone environment (example: smartphones can all connect to local wifi to grab maps and updates, iDrive 7 cannot). But as has been demonstrated with other features, BMW UX design often misses completely obvious design issues, so who knows right now. To the OPs topic: I now agree with the assertion: connected systems including navigation should now be considered a brick if you stop paying BMW or BMW decides to stop offering a compatible service in the future. And of course BMW WILL "do that to you" — wanna try unlocking you car on 07/2020.xx with Android Digital Key that you could do beforehand? Access Office 365 in UK? ParkNow in US? Good luck. Just another reason to never own a modern BMW out of warranty.
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My favorite navigation app is Tom Tom. The maps are downloaded on my iPhone but navigation info, traffic info etc is online. |
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You can still use Waze or GM on CarPlay. If you payed for that service of course. |
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They removed the HDD from the MY2021 and later cars, but my understanding there is that the moved from a HDD to a SSD of some kind to increase performance and reliability. Removing the maps entirely wouldn't make a lot of sense in a car where data connectively may be spotty or non-existent. Surely, you'll be able to start navigation deep in a garage without any signal. I'd also expect that you wouldn't be waiting days for a "map download" if your system was reset (such as a total loss of power). The connected portions are limited to POIs and route based navigation with additional data points. Prior to "BMW Cloud Maps" your on car navigation system would have to calculate the optimal route then overlay that with downloaded traffic data long the route and recalculate an optimal route with those adjusted parameters. BMW has moved that server side so you can get a really fast route back that accurately account for traffic, closures, etc. During your drive it will also recalculate server side and send updates if needed. Without a subscription this would go away. Meaning you'd be left with POIs in the base Map + Last OTA update and route calculations done on the system itself without traffic adjustments. You won't end up without any maps period. Maps are too important to modern cars to not have on-board at all times. Even when you have it turned off and you're using something else the car is using the maps for a variety of functions, including safety functions such as Speed Limits and other features. |
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But when I've assumed an obviously "right way" and "no way would BMW screw that up" situations in the past, I've often been disappointed — my "obvious" and my "good design" often don't match BMW's when it comes to user systems (mechanics is a different story, BMW rocks there). The design assumption for this could easily have been "car is always connected", as wrong as that assumption would be in reality. So I wouldn't just assume they got the stored offline maps design right, it would need to be either explicitly and clearly documented or explicitly and clearly tested.
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