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      07-04-2020, 12:18 PM   #1
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Has BMW improved highway stability?

I have an 18 X5M which I generally love. But I find driving on the highway over 85 mph to be more work than I would like. I am constantly moving the steering wheel slightly to keep it tracking straight. Had an alignment, so that isn’t it. And the steering does it whether in comfort or sport plus.

Drove my wife’s X7 5.0 on the same road last week and it tracked great. On par with my old Cayenne Turbo S

Does the new X5M drive better at high speed or does it still require constant corrections on the highway?

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God forbid you drive a rav4 at those speeds.
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God forbid you drive a rav4 at those speeds.
I am not sure that I am brave enough.
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OP not sure what issue you have, as I also have a '18 X5M. Drives like a gem on the highway, especially at 100+ mph. Order the F95 with driving assistance professional and the car will stay in the lane.
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Are you running RFT on your X5M and non RFT on X7?
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      07-05-2020, 10:21 PM   #6
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Are you running RFT on your X5M and non RFT on X7?
Standard non runflats on the X5M. X7M has runflats.
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      07-05-2020, 10:25 PM   #7
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OP not sure what issue you have, as I also have a '18 X5M. Drives like a gem on the highway, especially at 100+ mph. Order the F95 with driving assistance professional and the car will stay in the lane.
You're lucky. A few threads on this in the other forum. A bit of a wandering problem. Most notable with steering set to sport. Seems to be better with steering in Sport Plus or Comfort modes. Truck just needs lots of little steering corrections to keep tracking straight as you pick up speed. Not major corrections. But it is annoying.
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I just think these modern M cars have it setup to be very direct and immediate in all driving aspects. The F85 X5M and I'm sure the F95 X5M is the same where BMW put in a different steering rack (faster ratio) to make it more responsive compared to a normal X5.

On long road trips the M3 would feel the same as you described. I liked it for that very reason but after awhile it does tire you out more. Switching to sport+ helps because the steering wheel is tighter so less movement is needed.
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^^ Nothing to do with responsiveness, everything to do with BMW's sh@tty tuning of their EPAS.
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^^ Nothing to do with responsiveness, everything to do with BMW's sh@tty tuning of their EPAS.
So I gather they haven’t fixed it on the new model?
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Mine tracks rock solid at 95mph+. (G05 50i M-Sport DHP, loaded, etc..) I have the 20” with RFT. I had the chance to do long distant higher speed cruising through a few states on two separate trips. I locked cruise in at 110mph for 10 minutes and didn’t have to touch the steering wheel with it making very little corrections on its own. 130mph feels like 65mph. Certainly the most solid feeling luxury rig I have taken on this trip. Better than my last A8 and other Audi’s.

Even when my wife took her turn to drive on long trips in “Eco mode” had no issues.

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Honestly there's nothing to fix. If you want a softer cruiser then the X5M might not be the right car. I've taken my previous F85 X5M on long road trips and never noticed anything being strange or need fixing.

I've yet to take the F95 on a long distance drive but so far it feels fine to me.
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Honestly there's nothing to fix. If you want a softer cruiser then the X5M might not be the right car. I've taken my previous F85 X5M on long road trips and never noticed anything being strange or need fixing.

I've yet to take the F95 on a long distance drive but so far it feels fine to me.
I had a Cayenne Turbo S before my X5M. It is possible to have a performance truck that can do 95 on the turnpike without needing constant nudges of the steering wheel to keep it tracking straight. I am not looking for a soft cruiser. Am looking for something with great steering at high speed. Like my 992 C4S. Like my 720S spider. Like my old Cayenne. Like my wife's X7 5.0. Whether the 18 X5M characteristic that many owners complain about is a problem that needs to be "fixed", I find it to be a PITA.

Guess I am going to have to get a dealer to loan me one for the weekend and find out myself.
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Mine tracks rock solid at 95mph+. (G05 50i M-Sport DHP, loaded, etc..) I have the 20” with RFT. I had the chance to do long distant higher speed cruising through a few states on two separate trips. I locked cruise in at 110mph for 10 minutes and didn’t have to touch the steering wheel with it making very little corrections on its own. 130mph feels like 65mph. Certainly the most solid feeling luxury rig I have taken on this trip. Better than my last A8 and other Audi’s.

Even when my wife took her turn to drive on long trips in “Eco mode” had no issues.
This is great to hear.
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So I gather they haven’t fixed it on the new model?
Haven't test driven a new X5M yet, so can't answer. We can always hope, but I wouldn't hold my breath...

P.S. Have not yet driven a single EPAS equipped car that does not suffer from this characteristic to some degree, although I can say that on the 991 GT3 it is barely noticeable. That is my benchmark car for an acceptable EPAS. My awful end of the scale benchmark is the wife's m240xi. My X5M is somewhere in the middle.
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Haven't test driven a new X5M yet, so can't answer. We can always hope, but I wouldn't hold my breath...

P.S. Have not yet driven a single EPAS equipped car that does not suffer from this characteristic to some degree, although I can say that on the 991 GT3 it is barely noticeable. That is my benchmark car for an acceptable EPAS. My awful end of the scale benchmark is the wife's m240xi. My X5M is somewhere in the middle.
that's fair. My cayenne may still have had hydraulic steering. But my GT3 and my current 992 are great at high speed. The X5M is just a bit too much work. Nothing like my 16 Range Rover Sport Supercharged. Broke my lease in less than a year because the highway steering was terrible.
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I have the same issue on my 17 f86, I think it's more a tire issue as in wear, thread, etc..
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Maybe for you it is, but not for me. Mine drove like this from day 1 and continues to do so with its second set of tires and an alignment. I repeat, it's BMW's EPAS.
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Maybe for you it is, but not for me. Mine drove like this from day 1 and continues to do so with its second set of tires and an alignment. I repeat, it's BMW's EPAS.
Why you buy them then?
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Why you buy them then?
The decision to buy a vehicle (at least for me) isn't black and white, fanboy or hater. Although I'll happily concede that sort of approach seems to be very common on internet forums.

In other words, it is possible to be critical of one part of a vehicle without condemning the whole thing, and - whoa! - actually liking other parts.

Besides, virtually everyone else is using EPAS, which IMO is crap to some degree or another (with a few exceptions), and I'm not about to stop driving.
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Now that more X5Ms have been delivered, I thought I would resurrect this thread. Wondering if most owners are finding that the new X5M tracks better on the highway than the last generation.
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I can't compare to last gen X5M. But I have no issues with tracking.
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