[BobsM3Coupe]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Thanks, which one? Any links? I know people have requested ynguldyn for the F95 tech training docs, but AFAIK nothing's been posted yet. Thanks!

Here's a page from the technical training manual showing the F95/96 specific parts.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by BobsM3Coupe

Here's a page from the technical training manual showing the F95/96 specific parts.

Sweet, i'll update the main post ... though the question remains, do we know the M50i w/DHP, i.e., with "M Sport Pro suspension" does NOT have this?

[Thewolfbmw]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Sweet, i'll update the main post ... though the question remains, do we know the M50i w/DHP, i.e., with "M Sport Pro suspension" does NOT have this?

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same part numbers

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by Thewolfbmw

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Thanks, I'll update the main post ... overall this is what I found with a very casual glance through the parts catalog - there are "m exclusive" parts ... but those are the same on the M50i w/DHP.

The X5/6M Competition models will further confuse this - my speculation is they'll add comp-model specific parts & tuning so it'll be:

X5 series: X5 M50i -> X5m -> X5mc -> X5M Comp

And then the XM will be the first true ///M-made X-line vehicle similar to how the E9x was the first true ///M-made 3-series.

[speedyman]

As of a few hours ago I am considering a trade/sale of my '21 M50i for either a new(21) or an order of a '22 X3M Comp or X5M comp '21 or '22. Things are changing real fast right now in this world. "Chip shortages", component scarcities, blah, blah, blah, its OK and it has been a weird past 9-12 months. We can certainly all agree on that one.
Spartansburg can pump this stuff rapidly, I know, my '21 M50i was ordered and delivered in Naples FL 3 week later.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by speedyman

As of a few hours ago I am considering a trade/sale of my '21 M50i for either a new(21) or an order of a '22 X3M Comp or X5M comp '21 or '22.

Would love to know if you can get order an 2022 X5M - please let us know!

[Alan l.]

One thing we all left out is software that controls calibrations of the car will be different. Even if one were to add all of the parts from a X5MC onto a M50 they won’t drive or feel the same. Throttle response, suspension tuning, transmission tuning etc…. Back when I had the F80 people were able to program certain M3CS or GTS tuning and it supposedly made the car a lot better.

Alan

[BMWSRT]

I own both X5M50i w/DHP and X5MC. Other than obvious exterior and interior aesthetic differences, I don't know everything mechanically different but I can tell you that there is no mistaking the difference between these two vehicles in terms of driving and handling dynamics. It's like night and day but both are great SUV's for their specific purposes.

[bobbis1]

Originally Posted by BMWSRT

I own both X5M50i w/DHP and X5MC. Other than obvious exterior and interior aesthetic differences, I don't know everything mechanically different but I can tell you that there is no mistaking the difference between these two vehicles in terms of driving and handling dynamics. It's like night and day but both are great SUV's for their specific purposes.

This is my experience too but as grussgot mentions some of that can be chalked up to increased stiffening which we know for sure is different X5m vs m50. That said are all parts of the suspension the same or just the active stabilizer? Would look myself but can’t find an f95 parts diagram :/

[speedyman]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Would love to know if you can get order an 2022 X5M - please let us know!

Yes, spot on. Will do with all good time and straight up stuff.
Would love to dick in a low option X5M comp order with full boat cash.
Yeah Man, let you know, PM, or otherwise, all good here.

Have a killer holiday weekend.

[Busa Dave]

Originally Posted by speedyman

Spartansburg can pump this stuff rapidly, I know, my '21 M50i was ordered and delivered in Naples FL 3 week later.

ONLY if they have the parts to build!! So your history is just that history.

[speedyman]

Originally Posted by Busa Dave

ONLY if they have the parts to build!! So your history is just that history.

Who would have guessed?

[BobsM3Coupe]

Originally Posted by BobsM3Coupe

X5M front end also has X5M exclusive forged upper control arms.

I took a photo of one of the upper control arms. Notice the "M" on the top of the arm. I know you won't see that on the M50i. There are also many more part differences between the two models. As you would expect.

[Thewolfbmw]

Very true! Seemed like everything on my X3M was stamped ///M. Even the foam insulation in the rear had ///M.

I always under the impression the ///M parts were designed specifically and made stronger than the normal parts.

I looked at my upper control arm, no stamped ///M. I do not have DHP on my M50i.

[BobsM3Coupe]

Originally Posted by Thewolfbmw

I looked at my upper control arm, no stamped ///M. I do not have DHP on my M50i.

Wouldn't matter if you did.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by BobsM3Coupe

Wouldn't matter if you did.

Well, we just need someone with an M50i w/DHP to snap a photo for us ... iconoclast do you have DHP? If so, willing to snap a photo of your upper control arm?

[iconoclast]

Originally Posted by BobsM3Coupe

There are also many more part differences between the two models.

In the past I was able to get my hands on pdf outlining the differences, improvements and upgrades but I haven't been able to do so for this generation. I saw your post above and would like to read it as well. Do you have a list or the internal tech training manual that points out the differences between Plain Jane G05, M50i and F95?

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Well, we just need someone with an M50i w/DHP to snap a photo for us ... iconoclast do you have DHP? If so, willing to snap a photo of your upper control arm?

I do but my control arms are painted matte black. Not sure I would be able to get a photo of them without a jack to prop it up and if so would be able to see it if it is painted.

[bobbis1]

@thewolfbmw do you have a link to the X5m parts diagram you referenced? Think realoem has 2020 g05 m50i already up there

[Thewolfbmw]

Originally Posted by bobbis1

@thewolfbmw do you have a link to the X5m parts diagram you referenced? Think realoem has 2020 g05 m50i already up there

Here are the 2 links I have been able to use and find some part info. The diagrams for parts illustration are the same but after looking at my upper control arm vs the pic of the ///M above, mine seems less beefy. I have an endoscope camera and will post a pic later and try to match the angle.

Here are the links:

https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/par...5-BMW-X5_M50iX

This is in German for the X5M. Also, some part numbers are not listed.

https://www.leebmann24.de/bmw-ersatz...typ=ju01&og=99

[secretariat]

Originally Posted by jettie1767

I drive in the efficient/comfort mode almost all of the time and my range states 400 miles at full tank.

Yeah that's what it may read, but you are not getting that.

[secretariat]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Yeah, I mean not to poop in anyone's morning exclusive cheerios but ... these are all working-class cars, i.e., most everyone buying one needs to work to afford one and their current X5M lifestyle. Not to say we're not lucky to be able to afford one, but there is a greater context ...

I would offer colloquial use of "exclusive" starts at the point where people who need to work for a living don't go, and that's probably somewhere around the $200k zone. Just about everyone would agree an Urus, Cullinan, Bentayga are "exclusive" as are high-spec Range Rovers & AMG G-Wagens.

Comparatively, the X5M is in the $100k range and 99.9% of people wouldn't know an X5M from the lowest spec 45e or 40i parked at Walgreens. (in fact no BMW would look odd in a Walgreens parking lot!)

The X5M is a super cool car, and a very nice car, and a great GREAT value and anyone who can afford the experience is lucky! ... but it's still a mass-produced working-class car and thus not very "exclusive" compared to 10+ other SUV brands out there.

I don't know about the 99.9%. The pizza delivery guy asked me if that is the X5M and my vehicle is debadged.

[iconoclast]

Best photo I could get without the vehicle being jacked up: