[SMR]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

I have never driven one so it is better to have some owners give their experience. From posts though I gather that it definitely doe snot feel like an EV in regards to acceleration in EV mode but it is quick enough and you can run EV mode up until 78mph I think. For all intents and purposes the battery is never depleted. The vehicle never will feel underpowered. Remember it has 483hp and 516 lb-ft of torque.

Did you not test drive one prior to ordering? I highly suggest you do before taking delivery, you may not like the ride, the handling, etc.

Yes, I did test drive it, but it was a limited drive and I was hoping to get input from members who have owned one for a few months or more.

[jad03060]

Even in EV mode, if you press the pedal down all the way, it will force the ICE on. In hybrid mode, it comes on much sooner. Unless you're really pushing it, you may not notice it except for the additional power.

[eluded]

That is definitely a possibility. The car runs a 12.5 @110 as is, which is pretty impressive. Another 70 horsepower would push it to 12 flat or faster. The 50e is also designed to be beaten on when it’s cold (not fully warmed up). I wonder if that’s another factor.

Originally Posted by Aussiejem

So it's the opinion that the 50e B58 TU2 is detuned (against to 40i) to ensure it's not out performing the v8TT M60i?

[Aussiejem]

The B58 has such a strong bottom.end so could theoretically easily tune to pull figures to the M spec S58 TT levels

[tooloud10]

Originally Posted by eluded

The 50e is also designed to be beaten on when it’s cold (not fully warmed up).

We’ve heard about some changes to the B58s in the PHEVs to presumably retain reliability when aggressively starting from cold, but not sure I’d agree with the way you state it here.

[eelnoraa]

Originally Posted by tooloud10

We’ve heard about some changes to the B58s in the PHEVs to presumably retain reliability when aggressively starting from cold, but not sure I’d agree with the way you state it here.

If the engine is different other than tuning, bmw would have given it a different code name. So far all the claim about engine internals are different is imagination

[biterror]

Originally Posted by RichardE

How do you get the fuel consumption figures? I just did a trip over the long weekend and the trip computer showed an average 7.7 l/100km (30 mpg) for 754 km, but after filling up (62.5 Litres) I calculated 8.3 L/100km (28 mpg). So there appears to be a difference between the trip computer and real world figures. Has anyone else checked this?

I have checked the true consumption several times on my 1000 km trips and it has always been exactly the same as the trip computer says (less than 0.1 l / 100 km error). I start the trips with a full battery and fuel tank and fill up the tank after the trip to get the total fuel consumption.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by eelnoraa

If the engine is different other than tuning, bmw would have given it a different code name. So far all the claim about engine internals are different is imagination

Correct, there are no differences in the engine between the 40i and 45e/50e. The only differences are some bolt ons.

[RichardE]

Originally Posted by biterror

I have checked the true consumption several times on my 1000 km trips and it has always been exactly the same as the trip computer says (less than 0.1 l / 100 km error). I start the trips with a full battery and fuel tank and fill up the tank after the trip to get the total fuel consumption.

Thanks biterror, that is good to know.

[bono]

I have E70 35d which I bought new in 2011. Your F15 35d is a single turbo vs bi-turbo in E70. I love diesels, never owned a pure gas engine (I am European). My first car was 2001 530d touring, great car.

However, my wife's 50e is better. Around the town you don't need ICE at all. Torque is from the first second. It is fast in full EV mode. On highway, ICE is smoother than 35d.

I am towing 7,500 lbs travel trailer with my 35d, which has done a great job in the last 50k towing miles. Once we are past 1,000 miles on ICE in our 50e, I will need to test towing with 50e.

Originally Posted by SMR

I have a 2015 X5 35D. It has been a rock star. Dependable, 700 mile highway range, lots of torque, still looks and drives great. Ordered a 50e in December, and as widely reported here, it has been delayed on multiple occasions and best guess is it will end up being built in April as a MY ‘25. While one of the reasons for getting the 50e is of course fuel economy and environmental reasons, I also enjoy driving and consider myself a car enthusiast. I don’t want to buy a BMW that drives like a Prius. My goal is to have plenty of all electric range for local driving (I have a garage and can charge it every night), but when I feel like DRIVING, I want to have the power that comes with either a pure EV OR a reasonably powerful ICE. Is that possible with the 50e? That is, set it most of the time in Sport Mode, drive it for the traditional BMW experience, but still get good gas mileage in local driving with the electric boost and not have to worry about recharging on longer road trips? One of the things that I find confusing is that the rated HP of the 50e ICE is 305 HP while the 40i is 375 or 380. Is it possible BMW detuned the ICE because otherwise the combined HP of the ICE and the battery would produce a vehicle that is faster than the V8 ICE?

[Aussiejem]

50e owners... what did the Dealer tell you upon puck up of your new cars re 'wearing in' the ICE? As it is a majority in EV around town... surely the ICE B58 needs to be knocked in for say 2000kms (around 1200 miles) when new?

[jad03060]

have you looked in the manual? It used to be 1000-miles/1600Km keep the rpm below 4K and max speed 100mph/160km/h. Note there is a breakin for the tires and brakes, too listed in there. Some have resorted to running it in sport mode to keep the engine on, but BMW doesn't specify the miles are EV or ICE.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by Aussiejem

50e owners... what did the Dealer tell you upon puck up of your new cars re 'wearing in' the ICE? As it is a majority in EV around town... surely the ICE B58 needs to be knocked in for say 2000kms (around 1200 miles) when new?

Often best to ignore what the dealer tells you. BMW says the break-in period is 1,200 miles/2000kms and recommends running those in Hybrid. That doesn't guarantee the ICE will run much but that is what I would do.

[eelnoraa]

Originally Posted by RichardE

I have (hopefully) attached two photos of the trip computer, the first shows the average consumption since last refill (7.7 l/100km) and the other shows the total distance since refuelling at 754.3 km of which 121.6 was on electric. I filled up with 62.6 Litres, which calculates to 8.3 L/100km (62.6 / 7.543 = 8.299). I did not add any fuel but I was able to charge up overnight at our accommodation.

I think I may know why. Your previous fill up was not to full tank. So the gas consumed "since fuel up" isn't the same as your current filled up.

How I came to this conclusion? I just filled up my 45e, from 16% to 100%, took 15 gallons. According to trip computer, I should have only used 9 gallons since last fuel up. I spent like a hour to track down every details in trip computers. Then I found out my last fuel up on Jan 15th, I filled the tank to ~70% only, for an unknown reason. And then it all made sense, 70% -> 16% is about 9.7 gallon. Then 16%-> 100% is 15 gallon. After correcting for this, all the number make sense. I will share the rest of summary later.

[RichardE]

Originally Posted by eelnoraa

I think I may know why. Your previous fill up was not to full tank. So the gas consumed "since fuel up" isn't the same as your current filled up.

How I came to this conclusion? I just filled up my 45e, from 16% to 100%, took 15 gallons. According to trip computer, I should have only used 9 gallons since last fuel up. I spent like a hour to track down every details in trip computers. Then I found out my last fuel up on Jan 15th, I filled the thank to ~70% only, for an known reason. And then it all made sense, 70% -> 16% is about 9.7 gallon. Then 16%-> 100% is 15 gallon. After correcting for this, all the number make sense. I will share the rest of summary later.

Unfortunately I don't think this is the case, I have access to premium unleaded on site and the pump is regularly calibrated, so I filled up with the same pump both times and filled up both times to the first click. There could be some variation between fills I wouldn't think it would be 4.5L. It is possible the pump clicked off prematurely and I was short on the first fill...
My next long trip is not for a while, but I will check again.

[Slugsy01]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

There are some tunes available, at least for the 45e, personally I think it is foolish to do given the eAssist and eBoost but each person has to make that decision.

Hi, for the layman, can you elaborate. I have a X5 50e on order and generally tuned my cars at some point, but this is the first hybrid I have had and am not really knowledgeable about them.

Thanks

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by Slugsy01

Hi, for the layman, can you elaborate. I have a X5 50e on order and generally tuned my cars at some point, but this is the first hybrid I have had and am not really knowledgeable about them.

Thanks

Besides the fact that I don't see a need for it given how quick the 50e is, I don't know how a tune will affect the assistance from the electric motor. It may be fine but why worry about it for such little gain.

[Aussiejem]

I'm thinking I will simply jeep it in sport/ICE mode for first 2000kms as it doesn't make sense in Hybrid as the ICE needs tgat necessarily break in kms...

[Slugsy01]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Besides the fact that I don't see a need for it given how quick the 50e is, I don't know how a tune will affect the assistance from the electric motor. It may be fine but why worry about it for such little gain.

Yes, fair point