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I never said the suspension was bad, never even insinuated it was bad. I never said it was poor either. Air suspension is designed to soften the ride, alter the handling, etc. Adaptive M suspension is designed to be very sporty, aggressive stiff responsive suspension. It is very noticeable when you change between Comfort, Sport and Sport Plus. Driving both a 2016 and a 2020 at the M Performance facility on their track, you absolutely can tell a difference between the settings when making very aggressive directional changes, cornering, breaking, etc. I have NO DOUBT that there would be a difference in handling with the air suspension as that is what air suspension was designed to do. |
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In trying to understand your concerns, I reflected on extensive test drives of all 5 X5 suspension options (base, M Adaptive, Air, DHP, Off-road) including the X7 (base - which is air and DHP) in various traffic conditions and on the track. All off them handled very well for BMW. Never once had any concerns with X5 handling capabilities with any suspension option. Thanks for clarifying your not concerns. Actually, air suspension is designed to provide a constant vehicle position while soaking up road imperfections, balance vehicle load weight, and adjust vehicle height to traverse different terrains or loading convenience. The comfortable ride is an inherent aspect of air suspension and EDC setting. You're giving up a little bit of handling for the above but that's why there's a suspension option for most of everyone's needs. Other X5 2VR owners have expressed their pro's and con's and it's valuable input for future 2VR or M Adaptive owners.
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So.... all this talk about Air Suspension vs Steel Springs has me a bit worried.
I ordered the X5 M50d "undriven". I've only sat in a X5 30i in the showroom. It was literally the only X5 they had in stock when I placed my order. That said, I spent 3 weeks in a 2020 750i over winter, and loved the ride. That comes standard with the Air Suspension, and shares the X5's CLAR platform. Rolling the dice! I'm getting this car to eat up Autobahn miles and cruise around town. No track days for me in this thing.
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06-08-2020, 11:59 AM | #49 |
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Not sure if this has been said...... but I purchased air suspension on my M50i, because the roads where Inlive are worse than any of the 30+ countries and 45 states I've been to.
But.... I rarely ever test the "limits" of it's handling. It's an SUV. It's not ever going to handle like a sportscar, no matter what you do to it..... ever. My theory.... was "why try?". I'll take the comfortable ride. Oh.... and an added bonus that I never thought about? Is the ability to lower the car for a more aggressive appearance. Sounds silly, but I use it EVERY SINGLE TIME I turn the car off. It's become part of my shut-down routine, and I don't even think about it. And.... another added bonus..... is that if you want to go even lower than that.... all you need is a set of $125 drop links.... that can be easily installed by removing only the wheels. No removal of springs, struts, etc is required. For me..... the air suspension is an absolute no-brainer. Absolutely get it. |
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Ps I hope you haven't lived in the Middle East or Africa because that would really make our roads the worst in the world. And like you mention too I drive an suv for the comfort which is great. If you want a good handeling car better buy something else. So choosing air suspension or not is very personal. What is floaty for one might be comfortable for another. And I know that sport suspension with 22 inch wheels would drive me crazy but for someone else it would by fantastic. |
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You need to test drive it, noone can tell you how you it will feel to you. It's very particular sensation to which we react differently. I tested x6 with Air and immediately changed to DHP. After 30min i felt like i just came down from a boat with a weird feeling in my stomack. On Highway, little cross wind and the car floats, i felt like the steering wheel has it's on mind
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Update to all....I went with the air suspension and after 6 months of enjoying my X5, I can safely say it was the right decision. Perfect balance of ride, comfort, and handling. Really pleased with the air suspension.
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Which level do you find you like to have it at the most? and why?
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I have the air suspension as well WITH the integrated active steering and came from an F15 with DHP. While there is a bit more body roll, my G05 with the active steering handles better than my previous DHP system that I have sworn by for years. In my experience, this combination outperforms and is much more comfortable than the adaptive M suspension. I cannot speak to the handling dynamics of the air suspension without active steering.
For whatever reason, you will not be able to get this combination after MY2020 so if you care about handling and driving dynamics, get this combination while you still can.
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Admittedly, I live in the Southern tip of Wallonia..... which is the worst in the whole country. Up North it's much nicer. Even still.... I am still buying 22s as my Summer wheels (21s on the car now). I would have opted for 20s, but my dealer reminded me that 20s would have reduced my top speed down to 130mph. That's why I went with 21s. I won't be in Belgium long though. Maybe another year.... tops. |
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Do you mean 130 mph on winters or on summers? I have 19 inch winters and 20 inch summers and I was not aware of a reduced maximal speed. I don't think I would go faster than 130 in Germany anyway. I tend to stick around 100 - 110 mph max. Fuel consumption is going up and the time you win by driving faster is lost with the extra fuel stop. Fun factor is something else. Edit my 19 inch have speed index H = 210 km/h, the 20 inch have V = 240 km/h |
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No, adjusting the air suspension to Sport level does not switch the Driving Dynamics mode to Sport. Personally I drive 96% of the time in ADAPTIVE mode and manually adjust air suspension to Sport level. Driving Dynamics modes affect various vehicle characteristics and settings. Pressing SPORT Driving Dynamics mode on the console changes the following driving dynamic settings from COMFORT to SPORT: Damping SPORT, lowers the air suspension to SPORT level and electronic damping control to sport Steering SPORT, heavier steering Engine SPORT, throttle response Transmission SPORT, hold gears longer in conjunction with engine The following systems are also adjusted: - Integral Active Steering (if optioned) - Display in instrument cluster - Cruise control You can configure the above settings via iDrive under Configure SPORT INDIVIDUAL: CAR > Settings > Driving Mode > SPORT INDIVIDUAL > configure your personal settings
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Noticed with MY2021, IAS with AS is only available on M50i so hoping that helps maintain some of the handling and reduce the floating |
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IAS won't have any affect on the ride quality and its features are for high speed lane changing stability and and low speed maneuverability with turning radius assistance. One of the primary benefits with DHP is Adaptive M Pro and active roll stabilization in reducing lean - given that this is a SAV. If you're seeking the best handling M50i, go DHP. Otherwise I'd recommend an extended drive in a G05 with air suspension just to make sure it suits your needs - definitely test drive air in Sport level.
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With the limited stock there's not any M50 available to drive with AS so would have to drive a 40i but they do have a M50 with DHP, so may drive it to see if it will be to harsh of ride for wife. Appreciate the responses Update: Test drove the M50i today DHP and changed our build from air suspension to DHP. Thanks for the insight. |
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