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View Poll Results: Was killing Soleimani the right move?
Yes, it was the right move 59 55.14%
No, it's reckless 26 24.30%
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      01-09-2020, 07:27 PM   #155
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The stupidity is on Iranian air and their government.
They knew what they were doing, kept up civil aviation, ignored the transponders and shot it down anyway.
The US made their move, and challenged Iran to back off.
Iran took that initiative to launch missiles into Iraq and then shoot down an airliner and then lie about it.
I’m disappointed that our Canadian government is spineless and apologetic about Canadian lives being murdered.

It’s not colateral damage. There was no war, and no incursion into Iran.

It’s the usual barbaric idiocy of the Middle East.
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The stupidity is on Iranian air and their government.
They knew what they were doing, kept up civil aviation, ignored the transponders and shot it down anyway.
The US made their move, and challenged Iran to back off.
Iran took that initiative to launch missiles into Iraq and then shoot down an airliner and then lie about it.
Iím disappointed that our Canadian government is spineless and apologetic about Canadian lives being murdered.

Itís not colateral damage. There was no war, and no incursion into Iran.

Itís the usual barbaric idiocy of the Middle East.
Yes the islamic army garrison nearly next to airport that fired the two missiles.
Uneducated thick trigger happy missile personnel didn't even think of contacting airport that it may be in use.
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This is actually a very difficult question - so far I have answered that I do not know.
For example, (likely) if Soleimani had not been killed, then there would have been no UIA B738 tragedy... itís very difficult to say - were 178 people worth the life of Soleimani alone or not?
And probably, it depends on - who commited a murder...
For example, if (let's say) the murder of a recognized terrorist in Germany is committed by Russia - this is terrible.
Conversely, if (say) the murder of a recognized terrorist in Iraq is committed by US - that's fine...

... so I say - I do not know
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      01-10-2020, 06:24 AM   #158
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Yes the islamic army garrison nearly next to airport that fired the two missiles.
Uneducated thick trigger happy missile personnel didn't even think of contacting airport that it may be in use.
I am still curious if this is the first flight that took off since the missile strikes. Earlier there was word that two planes took off before the Ukrainian airlines did, but now I don't see anything.
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I am still curious if this is the first flight that took off since the missile strikes. Earlier there was word that two planes took off before the Ukrainian airlines did, but now I don't see anything.
Iranians are apparently CLEARING the site with bulldozers even as 41 Ukrainian investigators arrive to inspect the remains of the aircraft and the victims.
The one thing you don't do is disturb the crash site aircraft remains apart from collecting the bodies.
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      01-10-2020, 07:52 AM   #160
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This is actually a very difficult question - so far I have answered that I do not know.
For example, (likely) if Soleimani had not been killed, then there would have been no UIA B738 tragedy... itís very difficult to say - were 178 people worth the life of Soleimani alone or not?
And probably, it depends on - who commited a murder...
For example, if (let's say) the murder of a recognized terrorist in Germany is committed by Russia - this is terrible.
Conversely, if (say) the murder of a recognized terrorist in Iraq is committed by US - that's fine...

... so I say - I do not know

Letís expand the logic...
Terrorist, in any country, that has killed US citizens and is going to kill more, gets taken out by US forces.
The supporting regime then decides to attack a Canadian embassy...

So we say, itís the presidents fault for taking out a terrorist?

Not following any sort of Defense for Iran on this.
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      01-10-2020, 08:58 AM   #161
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Letís expand the logic...
Terrorist, in any country, that has killed US citizens and is going to kill more, gets taken out by US forces.
The supporting regime then decides to attack a Canadian embassy...

So we say, itís the presidents fault for taking out a terrorist?

Not following any sort of Defense for Iran on this.
Correlation is not causation.

Who is to blame for the 56 people killed in the funeral procession for Soleimani, and the other 200+ that were injured? That blood is on whose hands?

The only ones to blame here are the ones who took down the plane...
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Correlation is not causation.

Who is to blame for the 56 people killed in the funeral procession for Soleimani, and the other 200+ that were injured? That blood is on whose hands?

The only ones to blame here are the ones who took down the plane...
I tried to find what civilian ANSP has jurisdiction over the Theran airport, but I can't find one, so I'll bet the Iranian military controls air traffic at the airport. It is the ANSP responsibility to ensure it is safe for air traffic to land and depart. It's no different than if there is inclement weather that would pose a danger. Either way, the air accident falls on Iran regardless of who shot the missile(s).

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I tried to find what civilian ANSP has jurisdiction over the Theran airport, but I can't find one, so I'll bet the Iraqi military controls air traffic at the airport. It is the ANSP responsibility to ensure it is safe for air traffic to land and depart. It's no different than if there is inclement weather that would pose a danger. Either way, the air accident falls on Iraq regardless of who shot the missile(s).
I am confused, I think you are missing that Tehran is in Iran, not Iraq.
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I am confused, I think you are missing that Tehran is in Iran, not Iraq.
I think he meant Iranian.....
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I am confused, I think you are missing that Tehran is in Iran, not Iraq.
Yes. Not concentrating this morning.
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I am confused, I think you are missing that Tehran is in Iran, not Iraq.
They'd probably like to rename Baghdad "New Tehran."
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Correlation is not causation.

Who is to blame for the 56 people killed in the funeral procession for Soleimani, and the other 200+ that were injured? That blood is on whose hands?

The only ones to blame here are the ones who took down the plane...
Terrorists hide with the ilk that worship their leader.
The ďbloodĒ is in his hands.

Letting him free to continue murdering people, is the lesser of two evils.
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Letís expand the logic...
Terrorist, in any country, that has killed US citizens and is going to kill more, gets taken out by US forces.
The supporting regime then decides to attack a Canadian embassy...

So we say, itís the presidents fault for taking out a terrorist?

Not following any sort of Defense for Iran on this.
Iran chose to act, plain and simple. If youíre starting with theSalami killing, why wouldnít you rewind the tape a little further back and consider all the stuff the General did before that? Wouldnít that put it all squarely back on Iran?

If your significant other cheats on you, then you decide to kill their lover....are you saying the significant other should go to jail for murder instead of you?
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Just gonna leave this here for anyone who thinks killing this guy wasn't justified.
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Terrorists hide with the ilk that worship their leader.
The ďbloodĒ is in his hands.

Letting him free to continue murdering people, is the lesser of two evils.
I hope I am misinterpreting your post, how is letting him kill more people the lesser of two evils?
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watching people argue about killing this terrorist reminds me of all the damn Blue Falcons I had to deal with in the military.

(sigh)
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watching people argue about killing this terrorist reminds me of all the damn Blue Falcons I had to deal with in the military.

(sigh)
The worst.

I'm surprised at the number of people channeling Neville Chamberlain in these discussions. It's really pathetic.
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