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      01-12-2020, 08:43 AM   #177
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From "fake news" Al Jazeera:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/...171757858.html

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...A group of Iranian protesters has demanded Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and other senior leaders step down after Tehran admitted its forces mistakenly shot down a Ukrainian passenger plane, killing all 176 people on board.

"Commander-in-chief [Khamenei] resign, resign," videos posted on Twitter showed hundreds of people chanting in front of Tehran's Amir Kabir University on Saturday...
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It would be nice if the protesters could get the government to step down but I'm inclined to think there will be some government action against the protesters first. More needless loss of life.
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      01-12-2020, 08:51 AM   #179
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NK and IRAN will kill half the population to stay in power. That is their prime mission. It won't end well for either country.

Their best hope is that a Democrat gets elected and they can then get enough currency to keep the masses somewhat placated.
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NK and IRAN will kill half the population to stay in power. That is their prime mission. It won't end well for either country.

Their best hope is that a Democrat gets elected and they can then get enough currency to keep the masses somewhat placated.
I'm afraid you are correct. I'm not sure why the USA and other western democracies to a lesser degree are so eager to placate these countries and regimes. I get the carrot and the stick approach but it seems to be all carrot...
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I'm afraid you are correct. I'm not sure why the USA and other western democracies to a lesser degree are so eager to placate these countries and regimes. I get the carrot and the stick approach but it seems to be all carrot...
In general, people do not learn from history. Appeasement was an actual thing when Hitler was in power. We ended up hitting a point that it became a world war. Governments are doing the same thing again. How far does Iran get to push before countries finally band together? After they drop the first nuclear bomb? Who knows at this point. The thing with these countries is they are like a Bond villain. They tell you exactly what their plans are, so it wouldn’t be too difficult to foil them if you actually applied some effort.
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      01-12-2020, 10:32 AM   #182
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It would be nice if the protesters could get the government to step down but I'm inclined to think there will be some government action against the protesters first. More needless loss of life.
What you consider "needless loss of life" would qualify the protest victims as martyrs in some parts of that region.....
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What you consider "needless loss of life" would qualify the protest victims as martyrs in some parts of that region.....
Silly me for having western morals and values.
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      01-12-2020, 12:55 PM   #184
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First degree murder of 176 passengers with crew.Saying mistake and sorry just doesn't cut it. Iranian interior have to show the world real justice to be done with the button pushers and substantial compensation paid to victims' families.

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      01-12-2020, 02:30 PM   #185
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First degree murder of 176 passengers with crew.Saying mistake and sorry just doesn't cut it. Iranian interior have to show the world real justice to be done with the button pushers and substantial compensation paid to victims' families.
Ever heard of Iran Air Flight 655 where the US shot the plane down accidentally and killed 290 back in 1988? Same deal here but the rolls reversed. We were trigger happy for fear that another one of our ships was going to be attacked in the Gulf. That wasn't considered first murder. It was considered an accident. The US paid $132 million to settle the case brought by Iran. The US never admitted to wrong-doings.
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      01-12-2020, 03:10 PM   #186
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Silly me for having western morals and values.
You've gotta watch more Al Jazeera.....
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From Wikipedia on 655:

In 1996, the governments of the United States and Iran reached a settlement at the International Court of Justice which included the statement "...the United States recognized the aerial incident of 3 July 1988 as a terrible human tragedy and expressed deep regret over the loss of lives caused by the incident..."[16]
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Ever heard of Iran Air Flight 655 where the US shot the plane down accidentally and killed 290 back in 1988?
quickly... find all the people who reply with "whataboutism" whenever someone from the middle or right mentions something from past that points out a double-standard. hurry!
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Ever heard of Iran Air Flight 655 where the US shot the plane down accidentally and killed 290 back in 1988? Same deal here but the rolls reversed. We were trigger happy for fear that another one of our ships was going to be attacked in the Gulf. That wasn't considered first murder. It was considered an accident. The US paid $132 million to settle the case brought by Iran. The US never admitted to wrong-doings.
If I remember correctly, the aircraft never answered any calls despite squawking Mode 3 (commercial aircraft). Taking the shoot down in isolation, you can say there was recklessness and negligence. However, the Iraqis blew up the Stark the year before, and tensions are always high in the Gulf. The Iranians act provocatively and conduct simulated swarm attacks etc. I’m not going to say the CO of the Vincennes did the right thing, but there was enough stress and contributing factors operating in that environment that caused a bad decision.

The big difference is that the US immediately said they shot down an Iranian F14. A few hours later they realized what they did and admitted it. The Iranians tried to cover the whole thing up until the evidence uncovered was like an avalanche and forced their hand to fess up several days later.
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Ever heard of Iran Air Flight 655 where the US shot the plane down accidentally and killed 290 back in 1988? Same deal here but the rolls reversed. We were trigger happy for fear that another one of our ships was going to be attacked in the Gulf. That wasn't considered first murder. It was considered an accident. The US paid $132 million to settle the case brought by Iran. The US never admitted to wrong-doings.
Difference there is that 31 years ago the aircraft radar signature was same size as a bomber...
This radar signature was of something roughly 20 times the size of a cruise missile and they still fired.
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Difference there is that 31 years ago the aircraft radar signature was same size as a bomber...
This radar signature was of something roughly 20 times the size of a cruise missile and they still fired.
I'm not defending he Iranians because I think there is soooo much more to this but the missile system was possibly 1970's technology. Having said that, there are so many other failures here, on top of Iran's willingness to slaughter their own people, Who knows or will ever know what the truth really is.
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Difference there is that 31 years ago the aircraft radar signature was same size as a bomber...
This radar signature was of something roughly 20 times the size of a cruise missile and they still fired.
I'm not defending he Iranians because I think there is soooo much more to this but the missile system was possibly 1970's technology. Having said that, there are so many other failures here, on top of Iran's willingness to slaughter their own people, Who knows or will ever know what the truth really is.
For gods sake, it was a missile used by the Soviet union. That hasn't been around since 1991?
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For gods sake, it was a missile used by the Soviet union. That hasn't been around since 1991?
''I had 10 seconds to react'':load of crap.
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Blaming Trump for this is like an abusive husband's claim that " it's her fault, if she didn't get me mad I wouldn't hit her ".
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From Wikipedia on 655:

In 1996, the governments of the United States and Iran reached a settlement at the International Court of Justice which included the statement "...the United States recognized the aerial incident of 3 July 1988 as a terrible human tragedy and expressed deep regret over the loss of lives caused by the incident..."[16]
Unfortunately, instead of court martialing the Captain for this and many other wreckless moves that day/tour..........they promoted him and gave him a medal IIRC. Not the USs best moment in history that is for sure.

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just like that the talk about the airplane itself and the victims is out of the news cycle. the protestors being shot at and standing up toward their gov't isn't as important as not getting congressional approval. odd.
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Not sure if posted here before or anywhere but pretty disgusting if true... one thing is certain, our Pretty Boy in charge does not have the balls to launch some Cruise Missiles from a frigate and strike some military targets, hopefully your guy will do some damage.

Iran plane crash: Khamenei defends armed forces in rare address
-He said the Revolutionary Guard - the elite unit responsible for the disaster - "maintained the security" of Iran.

I think someone needs a lesson in getting your ass handed to you...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51140806
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