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      04-09-2018, 08:59 AM   #23
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you stated i am factually incorrect. show me where unions have helped business, corporation or industry.
No, I'm not worried about any of those things. Something that is good for a business is often not good for the worker or consumer.

For instance - workers get a substantially smaller share of the wealth created, partly because of dismantlement of unions -

https://eml.berkeley.edu//~saez/saez...comes-2012.pdf

Union members have better pay AND benefits

https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2013/04/art2full.pdf
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      04-10-2018, 01:34 PM   #24
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"Union membership is on the decline, especially in the private sector. The overall rate of union membership was 10.7% last year, compared with 20.1% in 1983, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. In 2017, 6.5% of private-sector workers belonged to a union, while 34.4% of public-sector workers were members."


Interesting that those seen as the least efficient employees have a over 34% membership in unions. Hmmmmmm?
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Because a makework job for life with a tax payer covered pension and zero accountability isn't enough, they need their collective bargaining rights, dammit
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Tesla is also a shitty place to work.
ONe thing I don't agree with is this

"While the union is trying to organize workers at the Tesla plant in Fremont, it is also attempting to stop Tesla from selling cars directly to consumers rather than through a dealership."
Dealers are leeches, they should be eliminated.

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"Union membership is on the decline, especially in the private sector. The overall rate of union membership was 10.7% last year, compared with 20.1% in 1983, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. In 2017, 6.5% of private-sector workers belonged to a union, while 34.4% of public-sector workers were members."


Interesting that those seen as the least efficient employees have a over 34% membership in unions. Hmmmmmm?
Where do you see that?

I have no problem with Unions, I think the US should actively encourage union membership, it's better for ALL parties involved.
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Because a makework job for life with a tax payer covered pension and zero accountability isn't enough, they need collective representation dammit
Yeah, it's not like they are working for it or anything.
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Dealers are leeches, they should be eliminated.
Within ten to twelve years the dealer model will be completely different and people will build a vehicle online, come in to sign off on paperwork then come back on delivery day. Unions should be abolished because they are leaches and bullies and while we're at it there really is no need for Real Estate agents and brokers.


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I have no problem with Unions, I think the US should actively encourage union membership, it's better for ALL parties involved.
a fair amount of one side of my family is all union and even they hate the unions.
nothing makes an employee work the bare minimum better than a union.
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Yeah, it's not like they are working for it or anything.
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/articl...s-10911932.php

Of course, they deserve every hard earned cent.
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Of course, they deserve every hard earned cent.
ONE WHOLE PERSON!

IT'S SYSTEMIC!
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unionizing or profit sharing... which do you think would be a greater motivator for productivity?
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Within ten to twelve years the dealer model will be completely different and people will build a vehicle online, come in to sign off on paperwork then come back on delivery day

Wasn't that Saturn?
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From what I understand Saturn was a no haggle sales process that attempted to corner the female, and single mother market etc. I do not know anything about online ordering with them and considering their long overdue demise in 2009 or 2010 I do not think they had a service like that in place and if they did then they were about two decades ahead of the industry.
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No haggle might be a plus for people with no negotiating skills, but it's a huge negative for me. Part of the fun of buying a car is pushing them down to barely above invoice, then dropping incentives on them after they already agreed on a serious MSRP cut lol
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you stated i am factually incorrect. show me where unions have helped business, corporation or industry.
Let me ask you a question, did you get the weekend off from your job? Such as do you get 2 days of no work after working for 5 days.
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no. i work for myself so i am always on the clock before that i worked in finance and 60hour+ weeks were the norm. technically we only had nine days off a year. if the market was closed we were off, it is open we are working.
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One person =/= union
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One person =/= union
you didnt read the whole article.

or you dont have first hand experience with union workers.

i did both.
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you didnt read the whole article.

or you dont have first hand experience with union workers.

i did both.
I read it - it was one person.
And?

You left a supposedly cushy job working less hours for more money out of principle? Lol.
No.
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I read it - it was one person.
And?

You left a supposedly cushy job working less hours for more money out of principle? Lol.
No.
The article mentions quite a few union workers getting inflated wages.

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Part of the reason for those high labor costs, claim waterfront regulators and federal prosecutors, include $117 million in lucrative pay packages that go to more than 400 longshoremen in New Jersey and New York, some of whom are never, ever officially off the clock, every day of the year."


No im still in the same career. We just don't use union workers anymore. Costs are down, quality and production is up.
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Unions are the equivalent to a blood tick.

They latch on, slowly feeding off you, leaving behind toxins and disease that can potentially kill.

I've dealt directly with the USW union boss at an Alcoa Alumini facility, and seeing what type of leverage they had was crazy.

Personally would hear and see him talk shit to the plant operations boss all the time. They're institutions established under the cloak of workers rights, all while attempting to take control of the company, and maximize compensation for less work load!
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