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      12-18-2019, 10:01 AM   #45
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Henry B Gonzalez tried to impeach Reagan. There's always a crazy Wing to both parties.

Watching the impeachment right now, Republicans are still not focusing on the facts. Just on the process. Weak.
Process is important as it provides fairness and traditional justice. You don't toss out core judicial principles because orange man hurt your feelings. That why law has fruits of the poison tree clause to avoid illegal behavior by the government which can result in unjustified convictions.
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"Oh my" indeed sir!

Collusion doesn't exist as a crime on the US statute books.

I'd suggest you watch the testimony.

From the (searchable) transcript, timestamp 00:16:07

"It(the mueller report) did not address collusion which is not a legal term"

Primary sources rule OK

https://www.c-span.org/video/?462628...onal-testimony
So the Special Counsel was formed for the necessity of finding obstruction. Is that what you're saying?
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"Oh my" indeed sir!

Collusion doesn't exist as a crime on the US statute books.

I'd suggest you watch the testimony.

From the (searchable) transcript, timestamp 00:16:07

"It(the mueller report) did not address collusion which is not a legal term"

Primary sources rule OK

https://www.c-span.org/video/?462628...onal-testimony
The entire investigation would be toss out now due to the finding of the illegal granting of fisa warrants.
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Obviously you didn't read the article. Here you go:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ump-has-begun/

you are welcome to post something from RT to refute this.
What part of "the effort to impeach President Trump is already underway " Jan 20 2017, dont you understand?
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"Oh my" indeed sir!

Collusion doesn't exist as a crime on the US statute books.

I'd suggest you watch the testimony.

From the (searchable) transcript, timestamp 00:16:07

"It(the mueller report) did not address collusion which is not a legal term"

Primary sources rule OK

https://www.c-span.org/video/?462628...onal-testimony
Appointment and original oversight:

As part of his oversight, Rosenstein appointed Robert Mueller as special counsel in May 2017 with the mandate "to oversee the previously-confirmed FBI investigation of Russian government efforts to influence the 2016 presidential election and related matters.

I'm done.
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Obviously you didn't read the article. Here you go:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ump-has-begun/

you are welcome to post something from RT to refute this.
What part of "the effort to impeach President Trump is already underway " Jan 20 2017, dont you understand?
Wow! You read the 1st sentence! Amazing!
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So the Special Counsel was formed for the necessity of finding obstruction. Is that what you're saying?
It set out to investigate Russian interference in the 2016 election and through that investigation found lots of illegality in Trumps campaign.

It found that Russia did interfere in the election.

It found that many (now jailed) members of the campaign committed obstruction.

It found that "Individual 1" took part in acts that were obstruction, but Mueller was blocked from indicting "Individual 1" based on legal advice curated by AG Barr.

It did not find evidence that met a legal bar of indictment showing active cooperation between Trump's Campaign and Russia.

The whole "collusion" meme just muddies the water.

Honestly, watch the testimony. It's a great 9hrs of TV, better than the last seasons of Thrones anyway.

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Appointment and original oversight:

As part of his oversight, Rosenstein appointed Robert Mueller as special counsel in May 2017 with the mandate "to oversee the previously-confirmed FBI investigation of Russian government efforts to influence the 2016 presidential election and related matters.

I'm done.
So yeah, nothing about collusion. We agree. Cool.
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The entire investigation would be toss out now due to the finding of the illegal granting of fisa warrants.

I can't hold back any longer. English not your first language mate?
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Cantor Fiztgerald, Northern Trust Corp and Carlyle Group. 1.2M and they're all Wall Street residents.

Wait, whut?
And then he turned around and said it was so he could donate more to charity. Lol.

It's all a show, people.
Let's use a little common sense here. A local plumbing company doesn't have the scratch to hire a heavy-hitter like Obama or Clinton to speak at their functions. Does it also shock you that Elton John, Sting, Alicia Keys, etc play private shows for millions of dollars at private Wall Street events? Is that a conspiracy as well?
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I can't hold back any longer. English not your first language mate?
I believe NC is Chinese.
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I believe NC is Chinese.
Thanks, I did wonder.
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I can't hold back any longer. English not your first language mate?
No got a problem with that mate?
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No got a problem with that mate?
Only insofar as you've made a number of statements where I've not been able to discern your meaning. So a problem of being able to authenticate meaning and respond to your intent.
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Only insofar as you've made a number of statements where I've not been able to discern your meaning. So a problem of being able to authenticate meaning and respond to your intent.
Request clarification I'll make an attempt to clear it up as much as possible.
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      12-18-2019, 10:38 AM   #59
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Request clarification I'll make an attempt to clear it up as much as possible.
OK, the public corporation vs government comment you made on a previous page. Would like to understand what you meant there.
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OK, the public corporation vs government comment you made on a previous page. Would like to understand what you meant there.
Extremely long but it worth it if your serious about understanding what private and public are



In short Unions, Government, Public Cooperation any collective group with no family or sole private ownership is a public entity and everything both the right and left rail against are public entities but the private sector always end up getting punish for the misdeeds of public entities.

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Let's use a little common sense here. A local plumbing company doesn't have the scratch to hire a heavy-hitter like Obama or Clinton to speak at their functions. Does it also shock you that Elton John, Sting, Alicia Keys, etc play private shows for millions of dollars at private Wall Street events? Is that a conspiracy as well?
Who said anything about a conspiracy? I'm saying your boy O is just another fos hypocrite after a buck.
Btw. I've never heard any of those artists slamming Wall Street.

Most of your 'what about' examples are fairly weak and obscure. Fyi.
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I can't hold back any longer. English not your first language mate?
No got a problem with that mate?
So your next user name will not be 1066?
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One of the things I love about being an outsider to US politics is the ability to call bullshit to both Dem and GOP faithfuls... so, with that said, I'll continue without restraint.

The GOP and their pet cable news network wanted to Impeach Obama from day 0.

They failed.

Why? Because nothing he did was actually impeachable.
You = fail. There were zero motions to impeach ODumba
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Who said anything about a conspiracy? I'm saying your boy O is just another fos hypocrite after a buck.
Btw. I've never heard any of those artists slamming Wall Street.

Most of your 'what about' examples are fairly weak and obscure. Fyi.
I knew conspiracy would ruffle feathers. Wrong word.

How is Obama a hypocrite? Every former president charges massive fees for speaking engagements. They are in heavy demand and price themselves as such. GWB gets $150k (supply and demand lol). I don't see what's so controversial here. What should former presidents do after leaving office? They have every right to sell their own books (which sell very well, hence the high advances), and do speaking engagements, as many former CEOs do.
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You = fail. There were zero motions to impeach ODumba
Really?
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