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      12-21-2019, 01:01 PM   #45
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So based on responses I suppose it's fairly normal for there to be such a fuss, like others have mentioned there's a few people that basically ruin it for all - I've got nothing to worry about for the most part but I know of a few who actively view and use off shore gambling sites or NSFW type sites and I'm like why ?

When I tell these people you know they log the IP addresses and the MAC id of the machine going to these sites right ??- but people are like derp-de-derp about it - which is weird

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Let's look at this another way.

I'm making up the time spent, but I can't believe it's far off...... let's say you get one personal text-email in the morning and one in the afternoon. Let's say you spend 5 minutes with each. Some may get done quicker, some longer, but on average.... that's 10 minutes a day. Not that big a deal. Yet. Now take that 10 minutes and multiply that times 5 for the whole week. That's 50 minutes a week responding to texts-emails. And then by 52 for the entire year and you're at 43 hours.

Ask an employee that responses to personal texts and or emails on company time which weeks paycheck he wants to do without, and see what they say.



Another side of personal emails.... many years ago the company that I worked for (40 thousand employees) had someone click on something they shouldn't have. It sent a virus to everyone in that persons outlook address book and then they clicked, and so on. It didn't take long before almost every employee in the company had their computer infected. The solution at the time required that every system be taken off line and then scanned by a tech to sort thing out. It cost the company million of dollars to correct that issue.





So, I'm a big fan of while you're at work.... do work stuff. F off on your own time and equipment.
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We used to have a guy abusing the acceptable use policies all the time. Our boss used to watch the activity on our switch and when she caught him on Facebook or whatever, she would turn off the port on the switch. Pretty funny watching that guy, he never did figure out why the internet quit, he would just move the cable to another port on the switch and it would work for a little while. We never told him.
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There are lots of archaic views from some dinosaurs in here.

It really depends on what type of work you do. I worked in IT for a fortune 500 company doing project based work traveling all over the world for new office IT infra builds (servers, network, wifi, phones, etc). If I wasn't actively working on a project, then I might not have any work to do for a couple weeks but when I was on a project I'd average 60-65 hour work weeks.

I don't believe that you should have to stay in an office from 8am-5pm or whatever if you have finished your work. There's no point is sitting around doing nothing just to appease a superior. I worked in the states but my manager was in Amsterdam. When I wasn't traveling for a project or preparing for a future project back at my home office, I'd get into the office every day around 630am, go to lunch around Noon, hit the gym after lunch then go home. I traveled so often for work that no one at my home office ever knew whether I was traveling for work so I later learned there wasn't much point in even coming to the office when I could VPN in and do any work I needed to from home or wherever I was.

Most of my colleagues in Amsterdam seemed to operate similarly. Often times they didn't get into the office until after 10am and they'd be gone before 4pm.
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There are lots of archaic views from some dinosaurs in here.

It really depends on what type of work you do. I worked in IT for a fortune 500 company doing project based work traveling all over the world for new office IT infra builds (servers, network, wifi, phones, etc). If I wasn't actively working on a project, then I might not have any work to do for a couple weeks but when I was on a project I'd average 60-65 hour work weeks.

I don't believe that you should have to stay in an office from 8am-5pm or whatever if you have finished your work. There's no point is sitting around doing nothing just to appease a superior. I worked in the states but my manager was in Amsterdam. When I wasn't traveling for a project or preparing for a future project back at my home office, I'd get into the office every day around 630am, go to lunch around Noon, hit the gym after lunch then go home. I traveled so often for work that no one at my home office ever knew whether I was traveling for work so I later learned there wasn't much point in even coming to the office when I could VPN in and do any work I needed to from home or wherever I was.

Most of my colleagues in Amsterdam seemed to operate similarly. Often times they didn't get into the office until after 10am and they'd be gone before 4pm.
What does any of that have to do with OPís question or the responses that followed? Are you saying because your job does not require a regular schedule, no one else should be required to follow one or be required to work or follow company guidelines when reporting to the office?
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What does any of that have to do with OPís question or the responses that followed? Are you saying because your job does not require a regular schedule, no one else should be required to follow one or be required to work or follow company guidelines when reporting to the office?
My overall point is that the old sentiment that people should work 8+ hours a day is going the way of the dodo bird. It's proven that the human brain loses it's productivity after even 2 hours of intense work.

Even though managers may think that "wasting time" on the internet and not actively working is wasting money that they're paying you, it's actually a healthy break from work that likely benefits productivity.

https://medium.com/the-mission/8-rea...e-cde67f2e785c
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lmao i actually watch youtube videos at work for work related tasks. Itís rare but it does happen when i need to ramp up on new technology or listen to a tech talk while i work.

tbh most ppl abuse the right and spend hours wasting time with bs like facebook but whatever i donít care
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My overall point is that the old sentiment that people should work 8+ hours a day is going the way of the dodo bird. It's proven that the human brain loses it's productivity after even 2 hours of intense work.

Even though managers may think that "wasting time" on the internet and not actively working is wasting money that they're paying you, it's actually a healthy break from work that likely benefits productivity.

https://medium.com/the-mission/8-rea...e-cde67f2e785c
Allowing short breaks from work are nothing new. Spending extended time not working, however, is something altogether different. OP specifically noted co-workersí abusive behavior. Somewhere between a rigid, never-pick-your-head-up sweatshop and a completely open, do-whatever-you-want-whenever-you-want environment is a reasonable medium for most jobs. Most employers recognize this and only enforce or threaten to enforce more stringent rules when people start abusing their trust. No one stays in business long if they have a bunch of people not working a bunch of the time (or rules so draconian they canít retain employees for that matter).
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Employees more and more consider the internet a basic utility they should have unfettered access to. Unfortunately, while using your company’s internet, you are essentially an agent of them and if you infect computers, possibly expose customer information etc etc, you’re costing the business way more than a few hours of lack of productivity. And since it’s their internet connection they are paying for, they have every right to see what you’re doing. I don’t do anything personal on my work computer. I use my personal phone or iPad and use cellular. Why is that so hard unless you don’t care about your privacy or keeping your job.
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dude i dont even have 2 minutes out of my day to browse the internet
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Did he pull the Pete Townshend Defense? It seems to be the go-to defense for pedophiles caught with computers full of child porn.....
I really don't know. All I know is we never saw him again. And based on rumor of the particulars of what he did, he had said content on a classified terminal which obviously had no Internet access. If this is true, he had to work at putting that data onto that terminal. And I know exactly what it takes to do that and it's not trivial. So any defense he would throw out that it was inadvertent and such would be immediately dismissed.
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dude i dont even have 2 minutes out of my day to browse the internet
Me either. I have to do my wife what happened when I get home lol.
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lmao i donít even spend 5 mins browsing random crap at work. my whole goal is to get as much done as i had planned and go home. i come in at 10am work till noon, lunch for 1 hour then do focused work till about 4 or 5 pm then i head home. zero bsing around on facebook, i donít have that kind of time...rather go home sooner.
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So based on responses I suppose it's fairly normal for there to be such a fuss, like others have mentioned there's a few people that basically ruin it for all - I've got nothing to worry about for the most part but I know of a few who actively view and use off shore gambling sites or NSFW type sites and I'm like why ?
So I can tell you a bit from the employer side, and from a firm that 'requires' internet usage for employees to do their jobs.

As an employer, you 'must' lock down your systems. This has nothing to do with goofing off, but actual security issues. And none of this can be malicious from the employee's perspective, but if they inadvertently go to the wrong website or for whatever reason get something that slips through the cracks, that employee accidentally did something bad and the cost of fixing is usually very high.

So for this reason there should be very strong filtration (at a firewall level) of what's coming in. So too software that watches what programs you run ordinarily to make sure they aren't doing anything fishy (like Traps for example opening a PDF but it isn't a PDF and now acrobat is messing up your system).
This of course is separate from something like an antivirus or antispyware, and keeping your PC's up to date with the latest software versions to prevent security holes in the first place.

All that stuff is just good practice. And the company 'must' tell the employees about these things for safety. Especially if there is any intellectual property on the systems or payment management. If a firm isn't doing this, and something bad happens, who knows how being flippant would help or hurt their ability to resolve. Practically, legally, and financially.

Now, with respect to what websites they do and do not allow, that's entirely separate and depends on the firm.
Lots of places just block specific sites, like social media which is the largest distraction, or gambling. Others block alcohol/firearms, and some block the adult stuff. Some have philosophical reasons why, others religious, and some just blindly check boxes for content they don't want out and about.

Like others have said, it's best to keep personal stuff off work computers regardless. Bring a tablet if need be to connect to wifi (guest wifi? it should exist at a decent firm) to listen to youtube or whatever.

Blanket blocking isn't really done any more because it actually 'hurts' productivity. For 2 reasons, 1) it's annoying to have to access a website you need for your job and you can't and that slows down productivity (the method to allow it is usually cumbersome and slow), and 2) it was shown people work better if they have moments they can 'escape' and then come back. However, like others have noted, there will always be a few that take advantage of this.

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When I tell these people you know they log the IP addresses and the MAC id of the machine going to these sites right ??
Those are the ADVANCED techniques to substantiate the basic USER NAME of the person using the computer. . .
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Did Now_Rudi change his username again and start this thread?
Negative. I'm still Rudi....for now.

As to the topic of the thread, I've yet to have anyone mention my internet usage at work but it got pretty out of hand for a while. Not because I'm a terrible employee, but due to management being unable to perform their jobs. As a Project Coordinator my job revolves around a CapEx budget that is to be finalized before the start of the fiscal year; I still do not have an approved budget for FY19. I had to find something to keep me busy to occupy a 10 hour day as not to fall asleep behind my desk.

My internet usage consisted of shopping for car parts, learning how to vinyl wrap cars and fitness/weight lifting videos. My work internet usage has damn near all but ceased, this is attributed to 2 things. One, I accepted a new position that has eliminated all free time; 10 hours is no longer a suitable time frame to accomplish everything. Two, my cubicle was dismantled, desk removed and now I have a corner countertop so that everyone can see my monitors.

Honestly, I'm glad to be busy and productive again. I'd much rather be productive at work than to find things to fill my time with potential risk of disciplinary concerns. I would like to have the option to dick around on occasion though.
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First paragraph indicates you need to gtfo of there.

Secondly, I’d you got dude’s gambling on the internet during work, then yeah, as the boss I’d be pissed too. As a matter of fact, I’d probably wait till that guy is about to hit a jack pot and unplug his shit.
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So I can tell you a bit from the employer side, and from a firm that 'requires' internet usage for employees to do their jobs.

As an employer, you 'must' lock down your systems. This has nothing to do with goofing off, but actual security issues. And none of this can be malicious from the employee's perspective, but if they inadvertently go to the wrong website or for whatever reason get something that slips through the cracks, that employee accidentally did something bad and the cost of fixing is usually very high.

So for this reason there should be very strong filtration (at a firewall level) of what's coming in. So too software that watches what programs you run ordinarily to make sure they aren't doing anything fishy (like Traps for example opening a PDF but it isn't a PDF and now acrobat is messing up your system).
This of course is separate from something like an antivirus or antispyware, and keeping your PC's up to date with the latest software versions to prevent security holes in the first place.

All that stuff is just good practice. And the company 'must' tell the employees about these things for safety. Especially if there is any intellectual property on the systems or payment management. If a firm isn't doing this, and something bad happens, who knows how being flippant would help or hurt their ability to resolve. Practically, legally, and financially.

Now, with respect to what websites they do and do not allow, that's entirely separate and depends on the firm.
Lots of places just block specific sites, like social media which is the largest distraction, or gambling. Others block alcohol/firearms, and some block the adult stuff. Some have philosophical reasons why, others religious, and some just blindly check boxes for content they don't want out and about.

Like others have said, it's best to keep personal stuff off work computers regardless. Bring a tablet if need be to connect to wifi (guest wifi? it should exist at a decent firm) to listen to youtube or whatever.

Blanket blocking isn't really done any more because it actually 'hurts' productivity. For 2 reasons, 1) it's annoying to have to access a website you need for your job and you can't and that slows down productivity (the method to allow it is usually cumbersome and slow), and 2) it was shown people work better if they have moments they can 'escape' and then come back. However, like others have noted, there will always be a few that take advantage of this.

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Seems the best course of action as an employer would be to allow sites, but monitor use. Then you could easily see who is lacking productivity and on FB all day and get rid of them.
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I don't know what it is with the entitled millennials who think that work is an extension of the Friends coffee shop, where Internet access is free and they don't need to actually earn a pay check.

There are several industries where EVERY SINGLE THING YOU DO ON A COMPUTER must be logged, archived, and is subject to e-discovery by lawyers on a whim. Being the person who has to fulfill those e-discovery requests for my employer, I BEG my colleagues not to use their work computers for any personal stuff. I can't tell you the personal stuff that I've seen come up in searches, just that everything that matches the requested search filter is turned over.

If you're bored, the entire corporate e-mail archive for Enron is available publicly online to peruse, and used for training in forensic searches.....
Dude no I don't think "milennials" are the reason, blaming a younger generation for everything really won't get anyone any further.

My mom is an anesthesiologist, and they had a computer in the break room (this was early 2000s) and one of the nurses ALWAYS played solitaire in every possible second she could; that's just one example but literally blaming an age group for slacking is pretty bogus.

That being said where do we find the corporate Enron emails? Pretty interested in those
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That being said where do we find the corporate Enron emails? Pretty interested in those
http://www.enron-mail.com

https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~enron/

Google "Enron Corpus" for other sites, some of which let you search the data set using their tools.....
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